Jim Sterling: you should be mad at always online

Lord Bacon posted...

XplodnPnguins92 posted...

jim sterling dropping the bombs of truth.

This is the particular type of user that irritates me the most. Claims one side to be true. Provides no evidence. No logic. No reasoning. Nice contribution bro.

You don't have to provide evidence and reasoning when it's already been provided in the topic.

You're wrong, and you should feel bad for the position your taking. I could see why that person claiming truth would irk you.

Lord Bacon posted...

XplodnPnguins92 posted...

jim sterling dropping the bombs of truth.

This is the particular type of user that irritates me the most. Claims one side to be true. Provides no evidence. No logic. No reasoning. Nice contribution bro.

While Jim's stance is a bit too extreme for my liking, I'd still say he's certainly on the right side of the spectrum. The cons far outweigh the pros when it comes to being online only, especially when it in no way resembles an MMO.

- Servers down for any reason? You can't play.
- Crappy ISP? Either you can't play, you get d/c frequently (And lose progress), or you have to deal with lag, despite playing solo
- Traveling? Can't play.
- Don't have internet for whatever reason? Can't play.
- Even if you're connected, you may very well still be playing solo with a degree of lag, which is just plain awful.
- It doesn't allow for mods (D2 had some incredible mods)
- Can't play on a LAN

Pros? I guess it helps out the economy in a video game. That might matter to some folks, but I'd say being able to play it in the 1st place should be the priority. Besides, for those of us who chose to play Diablo and/or D2 offline (myself included), well, the economy doesn't impact us in the slightest. Certainly not as much as a constant required connection does, that's for sure.

Basically, the "pros" consist a video game economy and DRM to fight piracy. It amounts to a lot of legit players having to go through a bunch of hurdles. Depending on your situation, those hurdles may include things you have no control over. This isn't just a matter of throwing in another couple gigs of RAM. This can potentially stop you from playing the game due to something as ridiculous as where you live.

As I've said before, hackers suck & all that, but a hacker has *never* prevented me from playing D2. A constant connection for D3, however, has prevented me from playing it quite a bit. As a consumer, it's hard to say this sort of thing even slightly resembles "good".

Lord Bacon posted...

GlennFrogg posted...

Lord Bacon posted...

XplodnPnguins92 posted...

jim sterling dropping the bombs of truth.

This is the particular type of user that irritates me the most. Claims one side to be true. Provides no evidence. No logic. No reasoning. Nice contribution bro.

You don't have to provide evidence and reasoning when it's already been provided in the topic.

You're wrong, and you should feel bad for the position your taking. I could see why that person claiming truth would irk you.

Nice job proving me right. The entire argument that you are giving is: "You are wrong". Wow man, great use of logic and evidence.

I've already refuted the points in the topic using actual logic and facts. The vast majority of points brought up in this topic are not logical and have no factual basis.

Go ahead, i give you full permission to take every single point i've made in this topic and refute it. Lets see if anything you say will make any sense or if you'll stick to the good ol' "lol im right and youre wrong".

As I said, the reasoning has been provided throughout the topic, glaringly so in the OP. Quit being obstinate.

i did speak with my money, and didn't give any to blizzturd

it's too bad it doesn't make a difference because of all you raving lunatic fanboys

As I said, those points were not logical or based in fact, as my several posts throughout the topic pointed out. My points have yet to be refuted in a logical manner. So, how am I being obstinate? I haven't ignored the points you are talking about. I've already discussed them. You are, in fact, ignoring my points which refute their points.

I suggest you read through the topic. You clearly haven't.

Very few things are able to be proven on "facts". It's why we label things we know so much about and researched so thoroughly as being only theory's, such as the theory of gravity. Believe or not we just don't know enough about gravity to call it the law of gravity.

If you were a reasonable man you would be able to make the connections to see these as being reasonably factual, although still not provable.

Can you prove that killing someone is morally wrong? People have been doing it for centuries, reasoning that being strong means the right to impose your will on others. No you couldn't, but a reasonable person by our society's standards should be able to see why it is so.

You haven't disproven anything. You've closed your eyes and covered your ears and said "no proof lalala". Quite frankly, you are a horrible consumer. To go to such great lengths to defend the actions of a gaming company, their acts to gain more control and restrict and screw over their customers shows a state of mind that is beyond reason.

It was explained quite well in the video. Sure, there's benefits to an online only model but the restrictions imposed on the consumer for the problem is beyond justification.

As I said, you're obstinate. You will defend your ill conceived notions to your dying breath. I hope one day you'll have enough self respect where you will defend your own interest instead of spewing the company line.

Lord Bacon posted...

GlennFrogg posted...

As I said, those points were not logical or based in fact, as my several posts throughout the topic pointed out. My points have yet to be refuted in a logical manner. So, how am I being obstinate? I haven't ignored the points you are talking about. I've already discussed them. You are, in fact, ignoring my points which refute their points.

I suggest you read through the topic. You clearly haven't.

Very few things are able to be proven on "facts". It's why we label things we know so much about and researched so thoroughly as being only theory's, such as the theory of gravity. Believe or not we just don't know enough about gravity to call it the law of gravity.

If you were a reasonable man you would be able to make the connections to see these as being reasonably factual, although still not provable.

Can you prove that killing someone is morally wrong? People have been doing it for centuries, reasoning that being strong means the right to impose your will on others. No you couldn't, but a reasonable person by our society's standards should be able to see why it is so.

You haven't disproven anything. You've closed your eyes and covered your ears and said "no proof lalala". Quite frankly, you are a horrible consumer. To go to such great lengths to defend the actions of a gaming company, their acts to gain more control and restrict and screw over their customers shows a state of mind that is beyond reason.

It was explained quite well in the video. Sure, there's benefits to an online only model but the restrictions imposed on the consumer for the problem is beyond justification.

As I said, you're obstinate. You will defend your ill conceived notions to your dying breath. I hope one day you'll have enough self respect where you will defend your own interest instead of spewing the company line.

LOL, I like how your reasoning for my posts not proving anything amounts to "You haven't disproven anything". Really, thats your reasoning? You are still proving me right. You aren't explaining why anything you say is right. You are just saying it's right. You are not telling me what points in the video are proving me wrong. You are not telling me which points in the topic prove me wrong. Most importantly, you are not telling me why i'm wrong. Your argument comes down to nothing more than spewing insults.

Notice how i'm taking specific points that you bring up and showing you why they're wrong? That is what you need to do. Please, take the arguments that I make and prove them wrong. I genuinely want you to do so.

Oh wait, you'll just say "lol I dont have to". Please prove me wrong. Please. According to you, everything to do so is here in the topic, so it should be easy, right?

Ah I see, the willfully ignorant "repeat everything thats been said or you're wrong" poster. Well, you have fun running around in circles there guy.

No, you said go into the video and regurgitate what's already been said for you.

Please don't bring up intelligence. It hurts me how somehow who speaks and thinks like you can consider themselves smart.