For the latest GameSpot AU coverage on the R18+ issue, click here!

If you're an Australian and you're a gamer, then you're probably already aware that game classification in this country has some problems; namely, that the lack of an R18+ rating means any title deemed unsuitable for anyone under the age of 15 is refused classification, which effectively bans that game from sale. But do you know why Australia doesn't have an R18+ rating? Who's to blame? Why do we need an adult rating for games? What do the opponents of an R18+ say? And what can you do about it? This GameSpot AU feature aims to answer all your questions, and more.

The classification of video games in Australia is a complicated process. The Classification Board, made up of members representing a cross-section of the community, is charged with the task of viewing and classifying video games according to a set of guidelines laid down by the Federal Government. Unfortunately, these guidelines are outdated. The interpretation of these guidelines leads the Classification Board to often-inconsistent classification decisions and, coupled with the absence of an R18+ classification for video games, results in the banning of an average of five games per year in Australia.

In this GameSpot AU hub, you'll find all your classification questions answered, as well as a comprehensive guide to all the GameSpot AU coverage on video game classification in Australia.

1. Why is there no R18+ classification for video games in Australia? | 2. Why do we need an R18+ in Australia? | 3. Why do some people oppose the introduction of an R18+ classification in Australia? | 4. Who is responsible for classifying video games in Australia? | 5. Who serves on the Classification Board? | 6. How are video games classified in Australia? | 7. How many games have been banned in Australia to date? | 8. How are we different from the rest of the world? | 9. What is the public consultation into the R18+ classification for video games in Australia? | 10. When will the public consultation go ahead? | 11. How can I get involved in the public consultation process? | 12. What will happen after the public consultation? | 13. Who is responsible for introducing the R18+ classification for video games in Australia? | 14. What role has South Australian Attorney-General Michael Atkinson played in the classification of video games in Australia? | 15. Is Atkinson the only Attorney-General who opposed the introduction of the R18+ classification for video games in Australia? | 16. Who is to blame for all this? | 17. Is anyone else doing anything about this? | 18. How can I get involved? | 19. Where can I find out more?

Manhunt 2 is just one game which has been banned in Australia.

Q: Why is there no R18+ classification for video games in Australia?


A: Under the Classification (Publications, Film and Computer Games) Act 1995, the different types of classification for computer games are G (General), PG (Parental Guidance), M (Mature), MA15+ (Mature Accompanied), and RC (Refused Classification). Although the Act has been reviewed several times since 1995, an R18+ classification for video games has not been added. In order for the R18+ classification to be added to the Act, all state, territory and federal Attorneys-General must unanimously agree to its introduction. To date, this has not happened.

Q: Why do we need an R18+ in Australia?


A: Australia is the only developed country without an R18+ classification for video games. The reason we need this classification is so video games can be more accurately classified by the Classification Board of Australia. Without an R18+ classification, there is a wider margin for error regarding games with contentious content; for example, games that should be classified in the R18+ category are sometimes classified in the MA15+ category, while games that should be classified MA15+ are sometimes refused classification. The introduction of an R18+ classification will also help parents make better and more informed decision when purchasing games for their children. Introducing an R18+ rating for games will also bring it in line with other forms of media, such as films or DVDs. And finally--and it's an important point--adults in Australia should have the right to make informed purchases of mature games content.

Q: Why do some people oppose the introduction of an R18+ classification in Australia?


A: The main arguments against the introduction of an R18+ classification in Australia centre on the interactive nature of games in comparison to other forms of classifiable media like films and publications and their affect on children and vulnerable adults. It is believed by some Attorneys-General that video games have more impact than films or publications due to their interactive nature, and therefore video games with contentious content such as those that would be rated R18+ would cause a significant amount of harm to those who play them. It is also argued that there is a lack of enforcement of contentious content in the home, and that if an R18+ for games were introduced, those under the age of 18 would be able to access them without difficulty by circumnavigating parental locks, etc.

Q: Who is responsible for classifying video games in Australia?


A: The Australian Classification Board. This is the statutory body which is part of Federal Attorney-General’s Department that includes the Classification Board and the Classification Review Board. Its previous title was The Office of Film and Literature Classification (OFLC)--this changed upon its integration into the Federal Attorney-General’s Department.

Left 4 Dead 2's violence had to be toned down for its Aussie release.

Q: Who serves on the Classification Board?


A: The members of the Classification Board are chosen to be “broadly representative of the Australian community”, according to the Board’s website. Board members are not required to hold any specific qualifications, but they must meet certain selection criteria. Members are appointed by the Australian Governor-General and usually serve a term of three years on the Board. No member is allowed to serve for more than seven years. The current list of Board members is here.

Q: How are video games classified in Australia?


A: Classification decisions are made by the Classification Board of Australia in accordance with the Classification (Publications, Film and Computer Games) Act 1995. An application for classification of a video game must be made in writing, approved by the Board’s director and must be accompanied by a copy of the game or, in the case of an expansion pack or downloadable content, must be accompanied by the additional content. If any part of the video game is likely to be regarded as contentious material, the application must also be accompanied by the particulars of the material and a separate recording of the material in the game. The Board will then make its classification decisions after reviewing all documents and material submitted with the application.

Q: How many games have been banned in Australia to date?


A: There have been more than 30 games which have been refused classification in Australia. This number includes games that were originally banned and then re-submitted with changes and re-classified. The list is: 7 Sins, 50 Cent: Bulletproof, Aliens vs Predator, Blitz: The League, BMX XXX, Crimecraft, Dark Sector, Dreamweb, Fallout 3, F.E.A.R. 2: Project Origin, Grand Theft Auto III, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, Left 4 Dead 2, Leisure Suit Larry: Magna Cum Laude, Mark Ecko’s Getting Up: Contents Under Pressure, Manhunt, NARC, Necrovision, Postal 2, Phantasmagoria, Reservoir Dogs, Risen, Sexy Poker, Shellshock: Nam ’67, Shellshock 2: Blood Trails, Silent Hill: Homecoming, Singles: Flirt Up Your Life, Soldier of Fortune: Payback, Tender Loving Care, The Punisher, Voyeur.

Q: What is the public consultation into the R18+ classification for video games in Australia?


A: In March 2008, the Standing Committee of Attorneys-General (SCAG) announced that it would be asking the public for its opinion on the R18+ classification for video games in Australia. A discussion paper was drawn up to seek public opinion submissions on the issue; the paper includes an overview of the relevant research and literature and a proposal to amend the classification guidelines.

Q: When will the public consultation go ahead?


A: The discussion paper on the introduction of an R18+ classification for video games in Australia was due for release before the end of 2008, but suffered setbacks and changes proposed by South-Australian Attorney-General Michael Atkinson. After state, territory and federal Attorneys-General failed to come to a unanimous decision regarding changes to the paper in April 2009, the discussion paper was moved into the hands of the Federal Minister for Home Affairs and was given a proposed deadline of July 31, 2009. Following a cabinet re-shuffle, the paper was delayed once again. But recently, the Federal Attorney-General finally released the public consultation paper, and is now asking for all Australian's views on the R18+ debate.

It's not just violence that'll get a game banned in Australia. Marc Ecko's Getting Up: Contents Under Pressure was banned because of graffiti.

Q: How can I get involved in the public consultation process?


A: First of all, visit the Federal Attorney General's website, which contains all of the information you'll need. There are two documents you'll need to grab--one is a discussion paper that outlines the pros and cons of the debate, and the second is a questionnaire which you'll need to fill out and return to the Attorney General's Department either via e-mail, mail, or fax.

Remember, the public consultation process ends on February 28, 2010, so you'll need to make sure your form is submitted before then.

Q: What will happen after the public consultation?


A: Once the public consultation ends, the Federal Government will review the consultation. However, the introduction of an R18+ classification for video games will still require the unanimous support of all state, territory and federal Attorneys-General.

Q: Who is responsible for introducing the R18+ classification for video games in Australia?


A: State, territory and federal Attorneys-General. They must all agree to introduce the R18+ classification before this can happen. In effect, ordinary Australians can't directly “vote” for the introduction of an R18+ rating.

Q: What role has South Australian Attorney-General Michael Atkinson played in the classification of video games in Australia?


A: Michael Atkinson has been a vocal opponent of the introduction of an R18+ classification for video games in Australia. His main arguments centre around the interactive nature of video games and the idea that video games likely to be classified R18+ would cause harm to children and vulnerable adults if allowed into Australia. Atkinson has publicly stated his position in the South Australian Parliament as well as in interviews with gaming publications. He has publicly answered numerous letters from gamers outlining his reasons for opposing the introduction of R18+ for video games.

Q: Is Atkinson the only Attorney-General who opposes the introduction of the R18+ classification for video games in Australia?


A: No. Atkinson has explicitly stated he is not the only Attorney-General who opposes R18+ for video games in Australia. Although other Attorneys-General refuse to indicate their position on the subject, only Victorian Attorney-General Rob Hulls and the ACT Attorney-General Simon Corbell have publicly stated they support the introduction of R18+ for video games in Australia.

Q: Who is to blame for all this?


A: There is no one to blame for the lack of an R18+ classification for video games and the sometimes-inconsistent classification decisions of video games in Australia. The Classification Board of Australia makes classification decisions based on the guidelines set out in the Classification (Publications, Film and Computer Games) Act 1995, while South Australian Attorney-General Michael Atkinson is not alone in his stance against the introduction of an R18+ classification for video games in Australia. All state, territory and federal Attorneys-General must agree before the classification guidelines can be amended and updated to include an R18+ classification for video games. All Australians can do it wait for the public consultation, give their honest opinions on the subject, and continue to raise awareness in the community through intelligent debate and discussion.

Games Like GTA: San Andreas have been released, banned, and then re-released in Australia.

Q: Is anyone else doing anything about this?


A: Yes. There are a number of websites run by Australian gamers dedicated to the spread of information and the fight for an R18+ classification for video games. Here is a list of the most prominent sites where you can find out more information or get involved:

http://everyoneplays.org.au/
http://www.gamers4croydon.org/
http://www.refused-classification.com/
http://www.r18games.com.au
http://r18games.com

Q: How can I get involved?


A: The way forward is through organised and civilised discussion. Petitions, formal letters to members of Parliament and raising awareness among the community are all good ways to get involved in the debate. There is a need for more intelligent debate in the gaming community as well as outside before things can move forward. Angry letters, profanities and death threats will only serve to show those in power that Australia does not deserve an R18+ for video games.

Q: Where can I find out more?


A: GameSpot AU has compiled a classification hub where you can find all our articles, interviews and news stories about classification in Australia. Click through to the next page.

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81 Comments

  • tas18267

    Posted Feb 10, 2010 1:51 am PT

    when people make there only argument "R18+ interactive video games are more likely too affect vunrable childeren and adults in negetive ways" they need to figure out that it's rated R18+ so any parent can say to them selves "wait a minute this must be rated R18+ for a reason I better not let my child play this." its all about trusting the australian comunite and if the kid hires or buys it with out the parent knowing there are these great new things called content locks. my parents are happy for me to go out and hire and buy the most "inapropriet"(air quouts around inapropriet) games you can buy beacuse they trust me to know fiction from real life and im 13 any way i hope they learn that all there doing is making people really mad by refusing an R18+ rating

  • wogboypaul

    Posted Feb 10, 2010 12:10 am PT

    thank the lord above, there's hope!!!

  • Falcon084

    Posted Feb 9, 2010 2:19 am PT

    Please look at my blog Help Change The Gaming World. The Government is asking us Aussies to fill out a poll on a site I have listed there {the second one} we have until the 28 of Feb, so get voting.

  • kozanecki GameSpot staff member

    Posted Jan 26, 2010 7:34 pm PT

    Hi everyone.

    We have recently deleted a number of posts made in response to this article, having deemed these posts to be inappropriate. Whilst we encourage debate and discussion amongst our readers, we do not condone the making of offensive statements about individuals. Anyone abusing the Talkback facility will have their comment(s) deleted and may have their account suspended with immediate effect, and without further notice.

    Thanks for your understanding and co-operation

  • SaberSpellSword

    Posted Jan 25, 2010 9:03 pm PT

    I just posted a 2000 word post on the 7pm Project forum that is specifically aimed at non gaming Parents. It discredits EVERY single positive point they have for not giving us an R rating and it also explains all the good points about bringing an R rating to our shores. It has direct links to the survey to make it easy for people and i also added a little note at the bottom for the 7pm project team asking to put this issue on the show. If they actually air this thing, then it will make the issue known to non-gamers nation wide!

    To read the post for yourself, head to

    http://7pmproject.com.au/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=119872&tstart=0

    If that doesn't work go to 7pmproject.com.au then "forums" then"local news" then click on the forum titled "!!!IMPORTANT!!! Help protect your children from harmful content!"

    Notice how I didn't put any referance to gaming in the title and i also mentioned that their children are in danger (which is true to a point mainly coz of their ignorance). If THAT doesn't have the non-gaming parents of the nation flooding into the forum, NOTHING will.

  • coen4

    Posted Jan 20, 2010 10:38 pm PT

    R18+ games should be allowed in Aus because like as if kids are going 2 play R18+ games without permission where is he gonna get the game from he cant buy it unless his over 18 its just stupid and the dubed left 4 dead 2 i was like dammmmmitt the american one is apparently 2 times better than the aus one and most of the time it just ruins the online play for aussies who are versing americans or others but still if people want the game that bad there gonna get it over seas like the R18 block in Aus is just stupid lol

  • BT8897

    Posted Jan 20, 2010 10:21 pm PT

    I agree with what SaberSpellSword said below.
    When people are buying games overseas we are not helping the Australian economy

  • BT8897

    Posted Jan 20, 2010 10:18 pm PT

    they need to know that a 10 year old kids parents wouldnt let them play a R rated game. Adults should be able to choose their own entertainment and im sure we dont want a toned down and censored version of the game. Also it's not like we dont order them online with full content anyway

  • xX_m477h3w_Xx

    Posted Jan 19, 2010 1:29 am PT

    im from australia and i reckon having an R18+ rating is better then having censored games eg. Left 4 Dead 2

  • evan321456

    Posted Jan 17, 2010 2:30 pm PT

    man I'm only 14 and most of my games are MA15+ plus I Pre-ordered AVP Survivor I wont become a killer when I'm older

  • kyletm2003

    Posted Jan 16, 2010 2:00 pm PT

    I'm not Australian but i would like to give a bit of my opinion. The most notable problem here is the older classification system. The 1994 guidelines need updating before any new changes can be made.

    In case the Australian government hasn't been paying attention, games have changed quite a bit since then. A system should be introduced that forces the government to review current game content and adjust classification of games based on new information every few years. that way old guidelines don't get in the way. Games change, and opinions of them by powerful people shouldn't be the dividing line that prevents advances that are good for the public. Geez, i should move and run things in Australia, this comment makes me look like id do a better job then the guys over there that have been doin this stuff for years...

  • Vaultboy-101

    Posted Jan 15, 2010 4:27 pm PT

    Plus im 13 and i preordered AvP hunter edition and the guy at game just let me also all of my games are at least M and up. Im not going to become a murderer because i played a violent game.

  • shaunismaname

    Posted Jan 13, 2010 1:25 am PT

    they should allow r18+ because people put alot more time in these games than what the people review it in i bet they dont even play it and the warriors for ps2 is a very bad game u smash peoples heads in and do graffiti and kill cops they need to rethink what they do because anybody over like 17 buys all their games from the net

  • Justmatel

    Posted Jan 10, 2010 11:52 pm PT

    I was going to write something almost the same to what SaberSpellSword. I agree with him 100%

  • SaberSpellSword

    Posted Jan 8, 2010 8:42 pm PT

    I read through the disscussion paper that comes with the survey. there r a few things in there that are a little missleading. here's my opinion:

    The main argument here is protecting minors. If anything, no R rating is making children more vulnerable than ever. When a parent uneducated in the world of gaming picks up an MA title and looks through its themes, they generally compare it with the film rating system (which does go up to R) and think that it shouldn’t be too bad since they think that there is a rating above it for the most extreme of material. But the content in Australian MA15+ games could be balanced on the edge of an R rated blade and often falls in the R rated category in other countries.

    To further confuse the parent, there are vast inconsistencies with the ratings in this country. Call of Duty 4 and Ninja Gaiden 2 for example, have the same rating and same content description though one is vastly more violent than the other with no indication for the parent to know

  • SaberSpellSword

    Posted Jan 8, 2010 8:42 pm PT

    Just a few other points:

    The absence of an R rating encourages piracy and importing from other countries which hurts the Australian economy

    “Parental lock systems are not included in older games consoles” this decision will only affect NEW games meaning that this is a mute point. No one makes games for old and outdated systems. “Were an R 18+ classification introduced, the RC category would still exist for games with, for example, gratuitous or exploitative depictions of sexual violence”
    We aren’t asking for pornography. We just want unwatered down games that aren’t banned.

  • Charon_the_evil

    Posted Jan 8, 2010 7:19 pm PT

    You know what's funny? 13 year olds like me can waltz into a games retailer and buy the orange box, css, dod, hl2dm, oblivion, half-life, half-life opposing force all at once, and as long as we pay, no one cares. I've been mistaken for being 10 before, but I can buy all these MA / M games and no one bats an eyelid, (begin sarcasm) yes sir micheal atkinson, I am REALLY being protected from violent games. (end sarcasm). besides, I play these games and the only thing that it did to me was (because of dod) cause me to become more intrested in history.

  • Hoob22

    Posted Jan 8, 2010 12:49 am PT

    One of the main arguments of the pro R 18+ classification group (read most gamers) is that games are not for children and there are more adult gamers then child gamers.
    This is true, but any person that has access to Xbox Live can see that it is blaringly obvious that kids under 15 can get their hands on MA games anyway, not having an R rating will not stop this, it is the parents fault.

  • vecsim89

    Posted Jan 7, 2010 5:28 pm PT

    Don't know what to do....

  • rockatanski

    Posted Jan 7, 2010 2:45 pm PT

    Guys, pleaaaase let's get this submission done right here:

    http://www.ag.gov.au/gamesclassification

    And then come polling day, we kick this old fool out of his chair and into the gutter.

  • SaberSpellSword

    Posted Jan 6, 2010 10:04 pm PT

    Has anyone noticed how every time we see Atkinson playing a video game, he's always playing the tenis game on Wii sports with a big goofy grin on his face. He calls THAT gaming?!? The Nintendo Wii is the kiddy-pool of the games industry. lets see you blasting off some heads in something like Gears of War AND ENJOYING IT like a normal gamer and we might start taking you a bit more seriously.

  • SaberSpellSword

    Posted Jan 6, 2010 9:53 pm PT

    I'm kinda half hoping for a game thats as hotly anticipated as CoD:MW2 to be banned outright in Australia. If MW2 was actually banned from sale in Australia because of the airport level before the game even came out (meaning NOBODY would be able to play it) I'm sure there would have been full on riots. If anything would send a message to the parlement about banning the games we want, that would.

  • kingdevil2

    Posted Jan 6, 2010 6:14 am PT

    Bio thats why theres a guy in the government wanting to ban MW2!

  • biotyrant

    Posted Jan 4, 2010 6:56 pm PT

    also, why is it that we can shoot innocent air-port civilians in modern warfare 2 and not be allowed to see a zombies corpse for more then a second in left 4 dead 2?

  • biotyrant

    Posted Jan 4, 2010 6:53 pm PT

    giving Australia a R18+ will finally allow us to play what the rest of the world are playing. After playing the disappointing Australian release of left for dead 2, i have been hoping for a R18+ as soon as possible.

  • wesam987 posted Jan 1, 2010 5:45 am PT (does not meet display criteria. sign in to show)

    wesam987

    Posted Jan 1, 2010 5:45 am PT (hide)

    lol this is so lame.. there shouldnt even be R18+ i think the highest should be MA for games like grant theft auto, left for dead etc..

  • Grossa14

    Posted Dec 30, 2009 4:36 am PT

    I read that one of the concerns was the interactive nature of gaming, and that a R+ video could fall into the hands of younger children. If this is an issue, then cigarettes should also be banned, given that these are a restricted product that are physically consumed by younger people. Ratings is all about information, why would you want to restrict the information provided to consumers when purchasing a game for friends or relatives, particularly if they don't know much about gaming. A game that could be rated R+, may pass as MA and the purchaser is not aware that the content is not what they desire. Why penalise law abiding tax paying citizens to somehow try and protect younger people who wish to fragrantly break the law?

  • Ice-Menorah

    Posted Dec 29, 2009 4:31 am PT

    Maybe vulnerable audiences should just have a cup of concrete. problem solved.

  • cdodo

    Posted Dec 29, 2009 1:19 am PT

    i heard that 'prototype' made it into Australia... if that's true... this whole system has some serious inconsistencies. I mean seriously... that game was beyond mindless violence (consuming random civilians??!!?) ... how does that get past and something like 'Left for dead 2' get denied (its only zombies you slicing in half with a frying pan) or worse yet why does a game like 'GTA 4' get through... the whole system = failure

  • Grandotaku

    Posted Dec 28, 2009 10:12 pm PT

    I'm tired of being punished because little kids. Who would sell an R rated game to a child? No one(they have laws against selling MA and R rated movies to children) and I'm pretty sure most parents would tell there kids no if they asked for one. So why should games be different. I'm getting annoyed that I can't get games I want or getting them toned down.

  • nfSpeed_Freak

    Posted Dec 24, 2009 11:49 pm PT

    I'm 15, and before you go "Oh, he probably just wants to play R18 games" hear me out. The main reason I want R18 games to be permitted into australia is so that the classifications of games are leveled out more. Also, the fact that how much a game influences someone, depends on how easily they get effected. Currently, parents by their under age children MA games. I can understand doing this but when it comes to influence, if the parent knew their child is influenced easily (wow I'm saying influenced a lot) why did they buy the game, and with the unstable rating system, it makes it worse. Plus, all the 18 year olds and over are missing out because of their insane ratings. I say GOVERNMENT FAIL

  • THRILLHOE

    Posted Dec 24, 2009 4:12 am PT

    What their asking for would not only waste time and money but won't solve the problem of people doing crime. These game classifications are only important to minor infants, but to everyone else... it's an experience to be shared not restricted. I graduated from law and i just find this Ammendement pointless. They should worry about enforcing better law on people who are mentally unstable that can be triggered by gorey games rather than limmiting from people who just wants some kick ass fun!

  • shaunn191

    Posted Dec 23, 2009 10:04 pm PT

    Remeber rockstars ,"the warriors", you get rewarded for mugging people, stealing car radios, robbing jewlry stores, and doing graffiti you can smash bricks on civilians heads, im pretty sure "the warriors" would have a worse influence on an unstable 15 year old then left 4 dead 2 haha. i guesse this is an example of how games can be wrongly classified as we do not have a R18+ classifcation!

  • DDERME

    Posted Dec 23, 2009 4:30 am PT

    in Australia game rating is sooo bad they classify everything with out even playing it game who should get g get m
    they just watch the trailers the lazy wankers

  • junor69

    Posted Dec 22, 2009 3:07 pm PT

    Video games didn’t make me violent or crazy.

    But working hard and paying stupidly big taxes do make me violent and crazy.

    I will play what I want to play and if I cant get it legally I will find other ways to get it.

  • camokool23

    Posted Dec 21, 2009 10:17 pm PT

    meh.... what about the rest of the world?
    you cant ban them for R18+?
    well least you only have to be 15+ to buy any game in Aus

  • macca366

    Posted Dec 21, 2009 4:09 am PT

    If a video game causes someone to commit a crime, then the person already had a severe problem. Blame the people, not video games. Grow up Atkinson. The world is full of 1000% more potential damaging experiences than playing a gory video game.

  • Vaultboy-101

    Posted Dec 21, 2009 12:22 am PT

    I hate Atkinson!!!!!!! Cant we just vote him out?

  • theGamerXx

    Posted Dec 19, 2009 7:42 pm PT

    Bring R18+ to Australia!!!!! by the way Michael **** let in madworld which is probably the most gorey game ever made slip through because it was on the wii WTF?

  • Tigersclaw101

    Posted Dec 19, 2009 4:57 pm PT

    This is pretty stupid, we need a R18+ for Australia!

    Couldn't you in theory if you had a friend or something in America send him a copy of L4D2 you bought for example and get him to put his American copy of L4D2 into your case and send it back to you? Assuming this is all done for the PC version of L4D2

  • DarkReaper123

    Posted Dec 18, 2009 11:53 pm PT

    "There is no one to blame for the lack of an R18+ classification for video games."

    You couldn't be more wrong. There is someone to blame. Two words: Michael Atkinson.

  • knifey

    Posted Dec 18, 2009 12:25 am PT

    @shadow_571:
    actually by vulnerable adults they mean people with schizophrenia and everything since some of them would act out what they see in games not all of them since I have known a schizophrenic person before but some of them so no they aren't big babies they are talking about psychopaths you idiot

  • raptor1906

    Posted Dec 17, 2009 11:35 pm PT

    Sorry about the double post but something I learned from a laywer, if you guys are going to use your time to put some logic into these 50 year old stubborn old ***** im not stopping you, Just a tip on making your arguements more persuasive. Remember to first acknowledge their arguments to show that you are aware of the situation and then place your arguments. If you only shout out your good arguments, it would just be another argument. Point out their flaws in their arguments and then present your points.

  • raptor1906

    Posted Dec 17, 2009 11:30 pm PT

    Oh so "interactive nature of video games" has the possibility of harming 'vulnerable adults' huh? Well what if vulnerabe adults played the censored version of L4D 2 and thought "oh it looks like when i use an axe on someone no blood would come out, when i throw a molotov onto someone nothing will happen to them and when i shoot someone no blood will come, Why do i go out on the street and try it out" Isnt that going to somehow harm those 'vulnerable adults' as well? You know what im sick of this S*** they can ban anything they want, ultimately all thats gonna affect me is an extra \$10 for international delievery........

  • Bioshockraptor

    Posted Dec 17, 2009 6:19 pm PT

    I thought I knew enough, but this cleared up some questions I kind of had. Thanks.

  • zarif99

    Posted Dec 17, 2009 3:37 am PT

    Australia's games are so overrated....in America star wars games are rated G while its rated M here because of "mild violence" which involves using the light sabers

  • nabilyakuza posted Dec 17, 2009 3:37 am PT (does not meet display criteria. sign in to show)

    nabilyakuza

    Posted Dec 17, 2009 3:37 am PT (hide)

    im 14 and i played 18+ games..its violence or illegal??who gonna be blame ...everyone in the world is not to be blame....its right....want to chat with me about this come and join me at youtube.com/nabilyakuza


    its gonna be great...18+games for 14?