Publisher says letter-writing campaign in wake of Star Wars: The Old Republic, Mass Effect 3 launches "isn't about protecting children, it's about political harassment."
Electronic Arts may have yielded to complaints over the ending to BioWare's Mass Effect 3, but the publisher is standing fast against the uproar from other groups over the potential for gay characters in the studio's latest titles.
EA VP of corporate communications Jeff Brown confirmed for GamesIndustry International that the publisher has received thousands of letters and e-mails from people angry about the inclusion of gay romance options in Mass Effect 3 and Star Wars: The Old Republic. The letters suggested that EA had been pressured by pro-LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) groups to include the options and that dissenting opinions were being silenced in the publisher's forums. Brown denied the former accusation and responded to the latter by saying EA doesn't tolerate hate speech in its forums.
"Every one of EA's games includes ESRB content descriptors so it's hard to believe anyone is surprised by the content," Brown told the site. "This isn't about protecting children, it's about political harassment."
Both the Family Research Council and Florida Family Association took aim specifically at Star Wars: The Old Republic in recent months. The FRC decried children being exposed to a "Star Warped way of thinking," while the FFA lamented that children "who never thought any way but heterosexual" would be exposed to LGBT options, and even those who didn't take those options "would be forced to deal with" the LGBT characters of other players.
@ULTRABAT Then by all means, let's hold back progress in human rights if it'll yield a higher Star Wars score from "Ultrabat."
I love SWTOR to death, and I would give it a 9.5 possibly a 10 if it weren't for its choice to add gay relationships.
As much as I could care less about gay relationships in games, did no one play Dragon Age a few years ago? There was the option for a gay relationship in that game. Where was the uproar then? It's just more people trying to sh!t on a big name game...
@steveguttenberg Honestly, I don't trust to the churches, or even the bible for the most part. Many of the main churches are liars (especially the pope, I, personally, can't stand him) and guess who translated the bible? Men. Mostly, the churches men. Not saying all churches are evil, they're not. But churches as a whole take gods word and morph it into an excuse to do whatever they want. Maybe I'm not the best christian, as I'm too busy cheering my friends up and helping the elderly who've fallen up off the pavement (happened twice this year, I'm not joking) to go to church and pray for forgiveness for simply living the life god gave me, but it's like Matt Stone and Trey Parker said: "Religion doesn't make people do bad things: Bad people do bad things and use Religion as an excuse." Also the book saying those things is a complete contradiction, as Jesus said "He who is without sin, cast the first stone" and again "Judge not lest you be judged." Anything beyond this is either a misquote (many people quote the evil kings sayings that it was Jesus speaking, I've seen this done once by a politician) or... Honestly, I don't know. It's not my place to answer. But maybe it was before Jesus came, or something added in by the church one of the many times it was "translated." Corruption is everywhere...
its 2012 and God is tired of the Arrogance of the Ignorant, a sin is a sin, stone your wives,God prefers peaceful Athiests over hateful Christians, for Christs sake!!! glad games represent the people who make them and play them ,to bad the far right doesnt have the power it did in the 80s the young are not so stupid people are people gets over it now ....
@GameFreak982928 Part of the problem is Christianity's book, which literally calls homosexuality an abomination, and says to stone gay people to death. It also tells you to kill me for not believing in God. Of course there are Christians who are good people. Nobody would argue with that. You seem like a good person. But you're good because you ignore significant parts of the Bible. If Biblical literalists' interpretation is wrong, it's not obvious. If the Bible is a handbook for morality, and your interpretation is the correct one, it's dangerously unclear to say the least.
"...children "who never thought any way but heterosexual" would be exposed to LGBT options, and even those who didn't take those options "would be forced to deal with" the LGBT characters of other players." ...so it'd be like real life?
Look if anyone wants Sex in their games then go get Sex games that portray such acts, irregardless of Gender. There is no place for these kind of acts in games such as ME3 or any other. Yes I know Freedom of choice, but that is not the case here and it is not even hinted at on the game packaging other that an ESRB rating. People are Free to choose to do what ever they want to do in their own lives. But don't put this type Gender changing & same sex stuff in games, besides there is no need for children under 18 to be subjected to this in a game, that should be felt up to the parents to decide on how to teach and deal with their children on such issues. For those that don't believe on God & Jesus that is your choice & why God gave man & Women Freedom of Choice.
Y'all been trolled by EA. This is just publicity, they lied before and there is no proof about this and nobody cares about this either, remember when they hired some people to protest against dante's inferno and created the same s...storm? You people are really naive.
Of course, anti-gay speeches are considered hate speeches, just like racist speeches and sexist speeches and anti-religion speeches. I think I should also note that, as a Christian, it's not impossible to accept that LGBT people deserve rights. They're people just like you and me. Whatever happened to "judge not lest you be judged?" I don't go to church anymore, so maybe I'm not one to talk, but isn't Christianity about love and tolerance? Isn't it about loving thy neighbor? Also, anti-religion people? You're being JUST as ignorant. I'm living, breathing proof that religion and tolerance can co-exist in a person, so it's obviously not the religion. I dunno about the states but in Canada, at least here in Newfoundland, I've only seen one intolerant church preach about banning gay-marriage and I assure you when they pressured me to sign a petition to ban gay-marriage, that was the last time I went to said church. Some of us believe things, why is that so offensive to you? Yes, being an anti-gay jerk is offensive, but why is it always Christianity's fault? When you use Christianity to insult those jerks, you're also insulting good, respectful people like me. If you insist on being an air-headed, intolerant douche, go ahead. But please, don't slap god's name on it. That's disrespectful. He's probably rolling around in his gra--- er.... Cloud? Maybe? I dunno.
"the FFA lamented that children "who never thought any way but heterosexual" would be exposed to LGBT options" YES! HEAVEN FORBID THIS HAPPEN! LETS KEEP KIDS IN A PROTECTIVE BUBBLE AGAINST SOMETHING THEY'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH EVENTUALLY SO THEY WON'T KNOW HOW TO REACT TO IT AND END UP AS INTOLERANT AS US EVENTUALLY!!!! Stupid people.
@dirtybluegene You're of course generally on the right side, but it's not a question of forcing beliefs. The idea that all people are equal and free to do what they want (as long as it doesn't hurt anyone) is not a belief in the same way that "members of Group X are inferior because god says so" is. If we treat the idea of equality as something that can be argued against we may find ourselves argued out of our own right to argue.
@oldschoolvandal I agree. They should add a filter like in Gears of War where you could turn off the blood and most of the language but in this case remove the homosexual situations. XD at the exec who said the games said they had homosexual relations on the box. Pretty sure they don't.I also love how speaking out for your beliefs is considered hate speech if it does not go along with the popular opinion. America= Fascist or at least it will be soon.
And guess what? If I assigned a pro-marriage spray on Team Fortress 2 and sprayed it on the walls of Gravel Pit, and the admin bans me for "hate speech," I can take it up with the Federal Trade Commission, who will reverse the admin's ban. I've done it once, and I can do it again if it happens again. --Victor Golf Charles, vegan straight-edge conservative pro-marriage magician/musician/pro video gamer since 1991
@Grim_Jackal I'm not a troll. I just love how the majority of commentators on here are people who are so concerned about the "rights" of homosexuals that you resort to illegal attacks in an attempt to silence those in favor of a heterosexual stance. In short, I'm here to tell you that EA had sex with the lady holding the Scales of Justice. --Victor Golf Charles, Marriage Defender
All religion is lies and rubbish, there is no God and anybody should be free to **** whoever they want to ****. Those are my beliefs but I ain't forcing them on anybody, unlike all these pious fools objecting to a little optional same sex nookie. I never thought I'd stick up for EA, now there's a first...
@VicGolfChad Since you are such an observant of the Bible I'd like to respond you with this famous letter on this link: http://www.yuricareport.com/Parody%20and%20Humor/OpenLetterToDrLaura.html
@WoZe You seem to take some sort of live-and-let-live approach. That's fine. In a way taking no side is better than taking the wrong side. But you're mistaken to dismiss all this as "bickering." Gay people (and human rights fans like me) have good reason to be upset with how some people treat them. And you're wrong if you think minds don't change from things as trivial as a video game website comment. I used to be pretty anti-gay myself. I deluded myself into thinking that it was my unassailable belief, that I was just following orders. But little arguments added up and here I am on completely the opposite side.
Vic, you are one of the most blatantly obvious trolls I've ever come across. That's not how it works, champ. You're supposed to make us angry, not bored.
By all means be nice to all people wherever you can, but never respect, tolerate, etc. bad ideas or beliefs. Respect the belief that Zeus is the King of the Gods no more than you'd respect the belief that Cookie Crisp makes you impervious to shark attacks.
Also, since this evidently "tolerant" group of commentators is so concerned about the "rights" of homosexuals, I will move an old message to up top here... "If a man also lie with another man as he lieth with a woman, both [men] have committed an abomination: they shall be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." -- Authorized King James Version of the Bible, Leviticus, Chapter 20, Verse 13 --Victor Golf Charles, and have a nice day
@pH347m3 You might also want to boycott Google, Microsoft, and Apple -- they support same-sex "marriage" along with Electronic Arts. Those halfwit companies are wasting their money on a battle they will lose. #IGiveUpGetLinux --Victor Golf Charles, supporter of California Proposition 8
So some organization that believes and follows some superstitious deity made up by Jews 2000 plus year ago are mad about some girl and girl sweetness or guy on guy, lol maybe they are not sucking the right god, you can always switch to the other thousand of gods people believe in. EA messed up ending of ME3, but at least they gave us some of the most fun messed up relationships and humpingr of NPC, two thumbs up from me.
In fact -- and this is a real first for me -- I just heard from the National Organization for Marriage that someone hacked into their Twitter account in an attempt to silence pro-marriage supporters. I'm not gonna be threatening legal action against anyone... but President Brian S. Brown will. --Victor Golf Charles
@ mario-nin-freak Thats my point - they don't have a book, so they cannot abuse it. They don't NEED one. I am not saying they don't need any authority - just not authority based on moral absolutism. Typical Christian - people *have* to accept your morality, otherwise *they* are the threat to peace? Nonsense. I'm talking about religious authority here. Don;t you believe in separation of church and state? I wasn't trying to say all love in the bible was meant to be obedience at all. I was pointing out that some of it obviously was taken to mean that women should do as they are told and have to be kept in place. The original sin? The one that tells us women are inferior? You couldn't miss it, apparently it's a major early theme. It causes problems with how many Christians see women. Don't forget the bits about slavery too. Its not all "love your fellow man". It certainly wasn't when Christians owned slaves, and certainly isn't now they rail against gay people. If you want to know how absolute morality is a threat to peace, look at anti-gay activists, suicide bombers, capital punishment, among others. Beliefs like these seek to punish people that have committed no crime worthy of the punishment, and, in some cases, have committed no crime at all. Moral relativism is the basis of a well functioning, just and free society. Something not promoted by Theocracy or by religious doctrine.
I guess there's a easy way to make everyone happy, to include an advise and a option in the beggining of the game like was done in that COD game with the aiport sequence. This way nobody should feel ofended or see any content they dislike. Personaly I see no harm into an in game option, as long it remains an option.
In the words of NOM President Brian S. Brown, "A mutiny is underway, and I will end the rebellion with one quick stroke." --Victor Golf Charles, Marriage Protector
@Khasym I'm not preaching you the truth. It's called casting one's pearls before the swine. But people with REAL brains actually post here, and they are appalled by the lies. I point the lies out for THEM, not for you. Why? Because you are hopeless, and your post proves it. Duh. --Victor Golf Charles, leader of the One-Man-One-Woman Protection Amendment
@VicGolfChadI'd like to proffer a few more wise words from the good book. Ya know...for the education of everyone:Exodus 21, verse 7: "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are." Exodus 35, verse 2: "Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death."Corinthians 11, verse 14: "Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him,"(At this time, remember always how Jesus Christ is portayed)Colossians 3, verse 22: "Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not by way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord." So to sum up, since God is the author of the bible(he has to be. No one else has ever been willing to step up and own this book) He's got no problem not only with slavery, but selling your child INTO slavery. And if you get sick or hurt on a sunday, hope you can cope with that annoying flesh eating disease or gunshot wound until Monday when the doctors are supposed to be in. I mean, we could get into the whole stoning your wife for an affair, how anything BUT absolute obedience to god is supposed to invoke a punishment in life not just on you, but your family, and their descendents to the 3rd and 4th generation. But hey, why get heavy?
@VicGolfChad I'm not sure if you're being facetious or not. But from a Christian standpoint, all those laws in the Old Testament become obsolete the second that Jesus dies on the cross. Since he was "the ultimate sacrifice" no one has to adhere to those draconic laws. From there on it was pretty simple, you either believe and go to heaven, or reject it and go to hell.
I geuss all the gay couples with normal, well adjusted adopted children don't exist? Those activist need a better hobby. It's almost as bad as PETA throwing blood or paint on fur wearers. Killing a mink is bad, but vandalism and assault on a person for just wearing it is perfectly fine?
@Quofan Pagan societies have no "book" or doctrine, but Christians do. How can you miss use something you don't have? Them not telling others what they need to do, or even a doctrine to base the religion off of, only shows their lack of evidence and truth to their beliefs. You also claim that authority and "absolute morality" are a threat to peace. I would love to know why you claim this. Morality is peaceful, if everyone accepts it. It's when people don't that we lose peace. 1 Peter 3:11 Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it. And again, Peace is used around 400 times. Again, I would like to know why you think morality and authority get rid of peace. And I will also say that, Peace is not always good if it's for the wrong reasons. Peace is not a reason to push an idea away. That's a personal opinion, not a factual statement. Wait, your trying to say that love in the Bible was only obedience? Then why does Jesus(In the verse I posted) say to love like the love he gave us. He was not being obedient to us. I don't think you understand what love actually means in the Bible. It's hard to understand in English, with only one word for love. In the original greek they had 4 words for love, and you can look them up if you want to know the type of love it is talking about ;)
@mario-nin-freak The problem is not just the people making the interpretations but the potential it has to be interpreted that way in the first place. The fact we NEED to interpret it at all suggests there is something wrong with it. That is why I used Wiccans as an example, as they are not an organised religion with commandments. It's not authoratative or tyrannical. It doesn't follow spiritual leaders for guidance. It is benign because it is free of people who demand that everyone listen to their authority, and also is largely free of god himself - the biggest tyrant of all. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. That applies to religion too. In the times the bible was written love included obedience and servility from women. That was how women "loved" their husbands. Even despite all the good things the bible says about women, people will always take the negative at face value. Christianity and Islam are a threat to peace because they claim authority and an absolute morality, and thus seek to control others lives by their very nature. If challenged, adherents can simply quote scripture and put their fingers in their ears. Therefore someone can always find a justification for torture, murder, rape, mysoginy, totalitarianism, hatred, bigotry etc. by quoting the bible or qu'ran selectively. Nobody can get away with that by claiming influence from Epona, Celtic goddess of horses, or the Egyptian god Ra or claim the deed is in their name.
I have no probs with gay relationships in games where the lore contains it. Star Wars has never had a gay relationship so adding it in the lore now would be just adding it to have it which I think is lame. If that galaxy has never had gay relationships why should it start now?
@mario-nin-freak You're completely right. Pity people nowadays are more concerned with people than a way of life they aspire to without caring what that way of life actually is. Mind you, the fact that so many of us fall short of that way of life does somewhat justify them (i speak for myself first and foremost). Maybe if more Christians actually acted Christian, a lot of these things might be different, at least in terms of the dialogue with secular values.
@Quofan John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. (Jesus speaking) Remember that a religion cannot be based on what it's people do, they are not perfect. It's the doctrine you must look at. If you search the word love in the Bible you get about 400 results of verses with the word love in it. The Bible teaches loving all people, remember the golden rule. I think everyone has heard that one, some without knowing it was taken from the Bible. Catholics do not follow the Bible in full. They do many things against its teachings. The Muslims and Mormons accepted some random book written by ONE man who claimed(with no witnesses) to have a vision from an angel. Unfortunately these people didn't read the part of the Bible that says that nobody will add to or take away from "this book", signifying that it was done being written and that there shall no longer be any people told to write in the Bible. I guess they completely ignored that verse! Christians are told to spread the gospel out of love for others. If people claim to be Christians and try to "force" it on someone or try to punish wrong themselves, they are acting outside of the laws of God. Remember to judge the doctrine and not the people.
@IBLEEDBLUE33There is a difference between "great" and "greatest." A BIG one. Are we a great nation? Absolutely. No question. Have we made many strides in the causes of equality, justice and personal freedom? Again, yes. But we are not the greatest nation in the world. Certainly not the greatest nation ever. We HAVE problems. Real problems, that self assuring pats on the back won't solve. In 2009, the Californian government, faced with a near $42 Billion dollar deficit, decided to burn a quarter of a million dollars on fighting for a law prohibiting minors from buying violent video games. Not getting food or medical care to the many homeless and hungry. Not working to alleviate the traffic or pollution that's rampant. No, MINORS PLAYING CALL OF DUTY, were worth the government's time and effort to attempt to restrict. THAT's a problem. A problem that self-assured pats on the back WON'T solve.
@SuikogaidenSo you're saying that it's alright to ostracize, decieve, and malign homosexuals, because according to YOU, they can choose whether or not, they're homosexual...wow. Well, it's a good thing that religion is once again showing it's tolerance and understanding to someone who believes differently than you do. Incidentally, to kind of illustrate why you are wrong, I'll let you in on public knowledge. The FBI, the NSA, and Congress, don't classify Hate Groups. In point of fact, the FBI, USES the SPLC's listing, as THEIR resource for monitoring and investigating hate groups. So, unless someone at the FBI, is grabbing the SPLC's listings, and just putting them on FBI watermarked paper, I don't think they're 'classifying' hate groups as you say.
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