Hacker group hits Sony BMG

Hell hath no fury like a computer geek scorned.

LOL Sorry but beef up your security these are peoples live that you are leaving vulnerable. Protect the consumers it is there fault. and yes everyone you have right to be pissed.I sure as hell would!!!

@FearDarkness Mind you, the Oxford English Dictionary is not the only dictionary, nor is it the most authoritative one. I happened to be using Webster's dictionary, which does use violence in its definition. And I do not think that "a violent slew of hackings" makes sense. But I will agree to disagree in this area.

@Darth_Tyrranus That was a two page essay I wrote for you friend, I hope you read it. Sorry if any feelings are hurt. ;)

@Darth_Tyrranus Not that I care about the debate here... but when people mention things like "This word means..." "The word in it's very essence..." I get a little frustrated. Violent in the Oxford English Dictionary means, at least in the sense you mean...: "3. a. Of persons: Acting with or using physical force or violence, esp. in order to injure, control, or intimidate others; committing harm or doing destruction in this way; ?acting illegally, taking illegal possession." But that's just a derived definition. It's "essence" is actually much simpler, as essences usually are... "1. Of things: Having some quality or qualities in such a degree as to produce a very marked or powerful effect (esp. in the way of injury or discomfort); intense, vehement, very strong or severe" This was a pretty powerful effect as it made news on an international scale, and affected people around the world intimately. I'd say if we were to use violent in an applicable statement we could say, "LulzSec has committed a particularly violent slew of hacking." By the way, the word "terrorism" doesn't have the word violence in it's definition, so it doesn't necessarily involve violence. Your "conventions" are just plain wrong. Here's the OED again: "2. gen. A policy intended to strike with terror those against whom it is adopted; the employment of methods of intimidation; the fact of terrorizing or condition of being terrorized."

Cyberterrorism by the way is "relatively new" the same way a twenty-year-old computer is "relatively new" sure it was coined in 1994, but then what did computers look like in 1994... 16-bit? 'nuff said. Times change. Just because something SEEMS new doesn't mean it actually IS. Relative is such a loose term anyways. After all we're a relatively new species of mammal when compared to sharks. Relative terms hold little weight in an argument. Actually looking closer at your post I find that the phrase "great inconvenience" is somewhat ironic, in that it is my inconvenience, and probably a mild to severe irritant to you, yet I feel it is of great convenience that someone cared enough about your inaccuracies to help you in your future endeavors. Learn from your errors, fix them, make new ones in the future and learn again. You learn much faster from mistakes than you do from successes. Just think of the light bulb, and how many wrong versions of that there were before they worked. :) P.S. IF you feel like you want to say something like the Oxford English Dictionary is just a book. You'd be wrong there too, the OED is a collection of the most up-to-date words accepted and approved by some of the most intelligent minds in our language. Far more intelligent than you or me. So don't be whiny. Just sit down, read the news, and learn your definitions before you start slinging your opinions around without the proper force they deserve.

@Double_Wide The word violent in it's very essence almost always implicates acts of physical harm. Stealing millions of people's information as well as costing a MNC millions of dollars is a crime, but it is most certainly not violent. Not one person has died as a result of this this hack, nor been physically harmed to m,y knowledge. It is a great inconveniance, yes, but it is not violent. The word terrorism always involves violence, therefore it should not be used to describe hacking. And I believe it is you whose definition of terrorism is unconventional, as the word "cyber-terrorism" is a relatively new term. I think there is very good reason to take a stand over something as minute as the term "cyber-terrorism." When violent imagery is used to describe non-violent acts, it almost always is done so with the ulterior motive of coercing citizens into giving up certain rights so that the government can make things "safer" with more regulation. (The "war" on drugs is another such example.) The last thing we need is more government regulation of the internet, but looking at your background, you may disagree with me in this area. BTW, I don't see how your qualifications are particularly relevent in this discussion, since we are not talking about anything of a technical nature.

@Darth_Tyrranus How is costing a MNC millions of dollars and stealing millions of more people's personal information "non-violent"? I did read the entire thread and my words are relevant. None of these articles ever stated that the single act of hacking was cyber terrorism but its use by Lulzsec against Sony clearly is. Causing misery and fear is enough for an action to be consider terrorism...someone doesn't always have to be hurt for something to be consider terrorism. People just have to believe that they are going to be. A bomb THREAT is considered an act of terrorism yet an explosive doesn't even have to present. I'm not sure off of what definition you are basing the term "terrorism" on but it doesn't appear to be anything conventional. BTW this is coming from a M.S. in the information security field and 9 years of government service.

I for one am slightly happy for this. It shows that people have the control, not the big corporation. I welcome this change.

@Double_Wide First off, let me make it perfectly clear that I am in no way defending Lulzsec. Lulzsec's actions are clearly unethical. Secondly, it appears that you haven't read the whole thread here. I am merely protesting the use of violent imagery to describe non-violent acts, in this case the use of the words "cyber-terrorism" and "cyber-warfare" to describe hacking. (Causing misery is not enough to constitute terrorism.) Please read the rest of my earlier posts if you actually want to have a discusion.

now its becoming annoying

@Darth_Tyrranus Hi its your friendly neighborhood Information Security professional here. I just wanted to let you know that hacking can be used as a means of cyber-terrorism and in this case the use of the term is very appropriate. Sony is being targeted by LulzSec for the sole purpose to cause them misery and bring them down. Definition: "Cyberterrorism can be defined much more generally as any computer crime targeting computer networks without necessarily affecting real world infrastructure, property, or lives." But guess what? In this case it is affecting real world infrastructure because the PSN outage cost Sony millions of dollars. We can sit here all day while you make just as many excuses for why these guys aren't the scum of the Earth but the facts are still the facts. One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter...but at the end of the day they must and will answer to the authorities.

@LeDarius_Turner You said it best, brotha!

@BigBossWato Because cyber-crime and cyber-terrorism are not the same thing! Cyber-terrorism is and always will be a sensationalized word that makes no sense when used under our current context. (I will admit that the Taliban's internet video executions could be considered cyber-terrorism, but that is in no way connected to hacking.) Terrorism requires violence. Hacking is not violent. Therefore hacking is not terrorism.

all i have to say is.......Again?!

This is just sad can hackers just stop now please, it's not beneficial to be annoying.

Sony is lucky to have these hackers to work for them. That allow sony to patch the holes in theirs systems...It looks like the hacker's goal is not about disrupting, but exposing the flaws...

@Kratos_Kills Posted Jun 7, 2011 8:23 am GMT "if Sony is too easy for you why dont you try hacking FBI, so we can see you stop in jail... annoying kids.." LulzSec did just that already, you peen. Search Twitter for #F***FBIFriday (not really asterisks, duh)

Wow i'm sick of these no-life having hackers....this is getting on my nerves all people want to do is play video games and enjoy it. but how can we enjoy it when these guys hack everything....i hope they all go to jail and drop the soap.

Can we sue those hackers? I want to ruin them, just like they ruin the fun for others.

So if the feds cant find these hacker groups then does that mean they have just revealed how people can get away with stuff? :O no...because they can catch them...Idk how long it will take but I cant wait. Even tho I dont have as much relation in Sony as the people who work for them, this is all BS. That goes for any company too. Inlcuding M$ (who gets hacked 24/7) lol M$ is a wimp and rather hires the hackers in humiliation than fight like Sony does. hahaha Sony ftw!

I lol'd at the achievements part :') I think this is actually a good way to point out that Sony's servers have serious security problems... Better this way - mockingly - than that someone else hacking it with FAR WORSE intentions! This attack was relatively harmless, just some maps and some MBs of data. Big deal. So Sony, take the hint, and do something about your security FFS >:|

These hackers with their entitlement and insecurity issues think they're all big and bad and have reason to attack Sony. But the average consumer, those read up like you and I, know (for example) that Geohot was sued for to update it? Ever stopped to think it's your own damn fault for abusing it in the first place (mostly Geohot's)? How about that perhaps Sony would've reinstated Linux or incorporated it into PS4 (the PS line has a long history with Linux), but because you had to throw temper tantrums and be asses about everything, now the PS4 sure as hell won't get Linux? And not only PS4 but it's highly possible that Xbox 720, Project Cafe will be locked down to all hell? And wait, Sony and Microsoft have other products that extend further than the niche world of gaming. How will those people be affected? Yeah, way to fight for our rights. In the end, the end user will get screwed. Thanks r-tards. Thanks for nothing.

@kolz4ever so what's it like being a xfail fanboy? we all know the moment xfail live get's hacked, we all know you will be moaning and crying about it being down and blaming PS3 for it

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I think it is interesting that 1 guy or a few can hack a monster company teamed security. Even if they get caught there will always be another in replace. I do not condone hacking.

@kolz4ever Glad you found humour out of it, but the month has passed and we are all enjoying our free service and saving dollars. What goes around comes around so remember that.

I find that funny about the achievment unlock thing.lol.Seriously though, why can't these fools do something useful, like hacking into the al queda and taliban network to expose those who are in it?

@kolz4ever What's your problem? Get over yourself, Sony, Microsoft whoever? These things hurt the whole gaming world..!!!!

hackers motivation is trivial, these bastards need use there talent to better the worlds not corrupt it.

ok seriously man, we get that sony did a lot of douchebaggy things in the past and their paying for their bad karma, but c'mon, give it a rest already lulzsec, honestly. I like the ps3 system and the games that are on it, can we get on with our lives now please?

good go around and hack carelessly cuz thats when ppl most times make mistakes and get caught only a matter of time now and when they get caught any of those 1 million sony pic members who got there info posted on torrents site's ( luckely im not one of them) should be invited to the trail and allowed to give those hackers a good ol punch in the face

@kolz4ever wait until they hack your 'holy' xbox(crap)live! No mercy for those CRIMINALS!

Couldn't they wait untill e3 is over??

I'm starting to get annoyed by this, specially since it gives arguments to morons like Sarkozy (and probably the next republican dictator... errrm I mean president of the US, and of course I cannot forget our own dictator... errrm I mean Prime Minister Harper) for their probable quest to lock down the internet and transform it to a heavily policed inter-national entity. Note: While Sony's disregard for security is criminally stupid, Lulzsec IS a criminal organisation, and I wont be sad when they get cut...

@kolz4ever Don't worry about my friend here. He's pathetic, lives in a basement, and enjoys going to Sony forums so he can brag and boast about his pathetic life online.

lol @sony fanboys bashing the hackers for "no life". They have succeeded a lot more in life than the people that posted here butthurt. I, for one, welcome our new h4x0r overlords.

I am finding this more hilarious than I can say. I hope they knock you sony fan boys out again for another month or more because that was damn hilarious watching you all moan and cry about your free service that is supposed to be so great not work. Damn it's great to be on the 360 with constant service, not that you people have an idea what that is about. And oh yeah, enjoy those free games that are about 5 or more years old. LOL Such a great deal there, watch out. I do hope the servers get knocked out again because that stuff was so damn hilarious I couldn't stop laughing or bothering you fan boys on various places while I enjoyed non-stop online service on the 360.

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These chaps are playing with fire. When they get caught (and they WILL get caught) there will be dire ramifications for them. Big brother may just decide that the Internet is too "free" and start "locking things down" ?!?

These people need to get a life. Try to hack/DDOS Google, I dare you, losers.

if Sony is too easy for you why dont you try hacking FBI, so we can see you stop in jail... annoying kids..

The guy's so funny, I can't stand the lulz. Can this stop please? Maybe get a job, a life, anything?

one day these cowards are gonna hack the wrong thing, then they will vanish for good

@Darth_Tyrranus So if cyber terrorism is considered a buzz word then tell me why does the FBI have Cyber Crime unit. Also most buzz word and other word formed in pop culture eventually end up in dictionary

Someone hire these guys a prostitute

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cmon give a man some credit i mean hes virgin and has acne all over the face he can hack once or twice a month... cmon hes a hacker with no life lol poor little prick its all good not evryone has a good life

guess their mums didn't give them enough attention

funny how the government now says cyber attacks from other countries is now considered an act of war... Food for thought.