Hotline Miami pirated at 'extraordinary levels'

@dlCHIEF58 @Rippletonz Hey Chief, you really sound like a moron. Where as Rippletonz gives a reasoned thoughtful argument that incorporates analysis of the social system that ALWAYS stands behind the production of things (including games), you sprout adhominems trying to attack his personality.

 @St0Ne4Ge  What you did is not piracy. Piracy is people who for those who have no self control and gain illegal games because of ideals of getting something for nothing.

What you did is try before you buy. Just don't get caught :) Or as I said, you will have no excuses.

Its just a shame that many do not have honor to remember their wallets more often.

 @Scarshi  @Rippletonz  @dlCHIEF58 

I bought Assassin's Creed 2 and it never worked, their support was useless and I was refused a refund. Consequently I torrented Assassin's Creed 3, you know how much I have played it? Less than 2 hours and it has been uninstalled.

Not counting the hours I wasted trying to fix the game and talking to a brick wall known as support, did I get my money worth even with both games combined? No, what can I do about that? Nothing.

If I can't try a proper demo that I can test performance, try the game and decide for myself if it's worth my very hard earned money then I will find a torrented copy and try it that way.

What I won't do is pay attention to advertisements and bribed review scores, because if I did that then the only games on my shelf would be CoD and bad movie lisenced games.

There are plenty of big publishers and small developers alike that are happy to lie to us, charge us extra for stuff that we paid for on the disc, charge monthly subscription for no reason, release broken products and escape any form of retribution. Unlike many other industries we have something to protect us from that BS and it is called piracy.

Piracy does exist for a reason and it is to prevent that grip they have on our balls from becoming too tight.

 @Rippletonz  @dlCHIEF58If you can't afford the hobby, find another that is in your price bracket. Give up your other costly bad habits if you need to game that badly.

Stealing is stealing and justification of stealing never wins any court case.

Being "stolen from" is another way of saying "ripped off, but have to have something regardless and by any means".

   @dlCHIEF58 Obviously you're not reading my posts because I've told you several times that I buy my stuff.  I bought Hotline Miami, installed it, haven't even played it yet to see if it works. 

Flame me and blame me for society's problems all you want.  I'm a paying customer, I even tip where appropriate.  We're talking about an issue called "Piracy," we're not talking about Rippletonz.  Have fun with your moral crusade, I hope you feel very righteous sitting there in your chair judging people you don't know (especially when you only bother to skim their posts). 

I'm not trying to justify piracy.  I'm simply acknowledging the inevitability that when people feel stolen from they will steal back wherever they can.  It's easier for them to download games/movies than it is to download food/rent, so the target isn't always deserving.  But game devs/producers aren't always innocent either, sometimes they do earn the backlash. 

I think that if Wal-Mart wants to pursue the capitalist dream and swallow up the world, the least they can do is provide benefits and a decent wage to their employees.  I think that companies the size of GE should contribute the proper taxes.  I think that janitors and plumbers and truck drivers deserve to make a respectable wage.  OMG does that make me communist?!  Watch more Fux News, tool. 

 @dlCHIEF58  @Rippletonz I think both sides have their points, but what's the point of pirating games if in the long run it's just gonna make them more expensive and with more annoying drm to deal with..who's gonna be the bigger person in the end?

 @Rippletonz 

Wow, that is your justification? Because the "big boys don't play by the rules"? How does ANY of this have to do with piracy of games or any other material? So you think you are ENTITLED to videogames or music because you can easily access them? And that it is not stealing because it is a copy of the original, even though that copy is an EXACT functional copy of the original?

And exactly how is it a "necessary evil"? So far all you've said is that you think it is OK because big business "doesn't play by the rules" or "GE doesn't pay taxes" but gave no true justification for piracy. Entertainment is not necessary nor a right. Spout your Karl Marx drivel elsewhere - just because someone else is successful or rich in no way entitles you to their stuff because you want it and can't afford it.  You sir are a lot of what's wrong with today's society where you fail to respect other's property and envy it for yourself. 

 @dlCHIEF58 Read my post again.  I make plenty of money to buy my games, I buy more games than I have time to play, especially during the fall release/holiday season.  I have 9 games sitting on-deck for a rainy day (hotline miami being one), aside from the 50+ already on Steam and the stack of a couple dozen X360/PS3 games and their DLC.  All purchased 100% legit.  I'm not rich at all, but video games are my main hobby so most of my disposable income goes there.

Just because I'm okay with a little bit of piracy doesn't mean I wear an eye patch.  I see it as a necessary evil.  The big boys don't play by the rules, they use lobbyists and cronyism and campaign donations to make their own rules, so the little guy has to watch out for himself somehow.  Easier to save on your entertainment budget than it is to save on gas, something has to give.  Of course there are a lot of people that just leech without any sort of conscience, I don't necessarily condone that.  But, like I said, it exists for a reason. 

 @razorfett147  @dlCHIEF58 Your analogy is bad, and you should feel bad.  If they were to "pirate" my money, they would be copying it, and I wouldn't lose a thing.  Most likely, I would never know about it.  So no, I wouldn't care at all. 

 @razorfett147  

Totally not the same thing dude. And as I said it was a gray area, but also note many of the games I would be referring to in this instance are old enough to be well out of print. Many of them would also be coming out of copyright (if they were not renewed) so would be public domain and perfectly legal to distribute. This would also include prototype games and others that may have never seen production.

So to save these from disappearing forever, then I can see a justification for making these available - but as long as there is no financial damage to the original copyright holder (ie it is no longer commercially available/out of print) and there is no profit derived from distributing it.

A true collector (like myself) will still seek out the original media which will still retain its value. But it would be a shame to have some software disappear because all the original media had failed and there were no backups available for history's sake due to copyright law.  

 @Rippletonz  

LOL, you call someone a tool and yet you are the one saying its OK to steal someone else's work because you don't make enough to afford it and someone else doesn't (allegedly) pay taxes? How does that make any sort of sense? Just because you can't afford a game does not entitle you the right to steal it just because you think it cost's too much or someone is making too much money off of it. 

 @Rippletonz  @dlCHIEF58 And a thief, is a thief...no matter what moral flag you choose to toil under.  Let's see if you have the same attitude when someone decides to "pirate" your credit card information and go on a shopping spree.

@iamzeroxx @razorfett147 @PseudoElite 

^--- this

 @toshineon  

If you do not own the actual ROM (ie the cartridge), then technically you have no right to have the downloaded ROM and are a pirate. If you actually own the cartridge, then the downloaded ROM is a legal backup copy that is allowed under copyright law. 

 @SythisTaru  @jerusaelem So, if I download, say, a Sega Game Gear game, that I didn't pay for, and play it on an emulator, would you consider me scum then? I'm not saying I do one or the other, I'm just trying to follow your line of thought.

 @SythisTaru  @jerusaelem Let's take the moral high ground shall we?

 @SythisTaru  @jerusaelem I do feel that it's justified if there's no way to purchase the game legally.

 @SythisTaru Anyone who listens to music with friends who haven't bought the album is scum. there is no around it. If you want to listen to music you better pay for it.

@c905492 alrighty then, so all free2play games are pirated/stealing, because we can play the games without giving a single cent to the game devs. I understand now.

 @c905492  Actually, if you stole a game from a store the devs would already have been paid for that. It would only be the store itself that would lose out on money. Pirating simply prevents anybody from getting money.

@SythisTaru @m_bd89 @TheKeef Haha that's funny... Because making a copy of something isn't stealing. That would be like saying that because I took a picture of a beautiful piece of art that I stole it. Good sir, learn some freaking tech skills, and then take an English class - stealing is depriving someone of an original. Piracy in the electronic sense is merely copying. Illegal yes, but not stealing.

 @m_bd89  @TheKeef It is exactly theft. 

 @c905492 The devs don't get paid even if you don't pirate the game. The fact that you're not giving them your money is not the crime, even though you are hurting the devs/publishers. The difference is stealing deprives its victim of what was stolen. Piracy is copying and redistributing intelectual property that doesn't belong to you, nothing was stolen from the victim, the devs still have their game and full control of it. Piracy's closer to selling fake designer clothes then it is anywhere near stealing. I don't see why the difference is hard to understand even after giving a simple example in my first comment.

 @m_bd89  

I don't get it, how is it any different from stealing a physical copy from your local store ? Either way, the devs don't get paid - what's the difference ?