Total War: Rome II coming in 2013

 @AloeVera4  @silver_viper219 

The Roman Empire is still considered one of the most advanced civilizations  in the ancient. In a way, Rome was built out of ideas of others but it was one of the only Empires that put it all together in harmony. It's only failure is over expansion. 

 @kyphe i give him 3/10 for making me reply

 @AloeVera4 how mature! and i think i can definitely hear the sound of butt-hurt... looks like we hit a nerve there.

 @AloeVera4  @ymegzari  lol spat yer dummy right out didn't ya. you even fail as a troll how bad is that, let alone a student of history hehe

 @kyphe @ymegzari Didn't even bother to read what you dumbass friends of the other idiot had to write. Not interested. the mere fact you'd jump on his little bandwagon tell you guys ar nothing but school-aged little boys that know nothing about history or life! That's ok.....I do....on both counts! Now....be good little girls and go piss off, eh? Toodles.....fags! Oh and PD - Don't bother responding.....I'm unfollowing this stupid little thread you girls have here. it's like arguing with a fucking wall....only a wall has more intelligence than you three bozos! so yes....I DO have the last fucking word here!! FUCK YOU ALL!

 @AloeVera4 there will always be eurocentrist fools like you to think such nonsense, what matters is that tools like you aren't writing the history books ;) you definitely have been reading some great primary school level history books though, I just hope for you you don't plan to study history at university level, or you'll be in for quite a shock to say the least.

 @AloeVera4 Rome was in no way the first superpower you are defending your personal historical illusion, which was built up by the classical roman bias of history in the western education system. NO Rome was not the first to have professional soldiers, the Han dynasty for one had a core standing army of professional soldiers long before Rome, backed up by conscripts in times of need, you are revealing a distinct lack of historical knowledge by making that claim. What Rome did do is transition to an army made up almost entirely of full time professional soldiers after the fall of the republic and the emergence of empire, but this did not last, in fact it represents only a small proportion of roman history. the thing about Rome is that they wrote most of their own history and they were renown for their use of self aggrandizing propaganda. The fact that much of European culture claims a Roman influence has no bearing on its standing as the "first" superpower in fact it is more indicative of being one of the last classical superpowers not the first.

 @AloeVera4  history stands for sure, my Postal System stealing friend :) try to make ur brain work instead of being a lier and read some of Xenophones writings :) and dont bother to reply just dont steal, dont lie, get matured and read!

im done with ur dumbness! cya

 @silver_viper219 Yawn! Wow..."great comback" <rolling eyes> Oh so now it's ALL persians you were talking about and not just the achae-shit-nids? Ohhh...I see. I understand now...rewriting your original intent just like you're trying to rewrite history. Funny. Nice try though....but you still have nothing here! History still stands...as does Rome!

 

PS- I'll get glasses the day you learn how to spell.

 

 @AloeVera4 maybe i include the invention of postal system that whole historians know its achaemenid's invention in roman list :)) im also surprised that romans didnt built the khufu pyramid in giza! =)) get a life! and a piar of glasses! so u see i told persians not achaemenids ;) so instead of lying about postal system and maybe many other things that i dont know about, u better jump of a bridge! :) cya in next life! bye bye

 @silver_viper219 Hmmm....well THATS odd. According to you and the other scholars...that filthy Achaemendis empire lasted only from 550?330 BC....yet here you have things invented/discovered dating back as far as 6000BC all the way to 600AD.  Hmmm....quite peculiar that. You wouldn't be trying to include things invented/discovered by different Empires, would you sport? Nah....you don't strike me as the type to jumble things from different empires together to make it SEEM like one empire discovered/invented all that just to TRY to prove a point! Hell, I'm just surprised you didn't include that they also invented the modern computer, the DVD player and the automobile!

 

Sorry tool.....your story doesn't quite hold water here!  Nice try though!! But the reporter's, history's and my facts about the Roman Empire being the WORLD'S FIRST SUPER POWER still stands!! Deal with it....or just commit suicide already! Looks like you'll need a few more gods to help you out next time! Toodles!!

 @AloeVera4 oh and so much for "ROMAN!!" postal system invention:

 

"The first credible claim for the development of a real postal system comes from Ancient Persia, but the point of invention remains in question. The best documented claim (Xenophon) attributes the invention to the Persian King Cyrus the Great (550 BC),[2] while other writers credit his successor Darius I of Persia (521 BC)"

 

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail#Persia

@AloeVera4 oh my! RLY?  didnt think about that! oooooooh almighty all knowing plant aloevera!

 

roman, greek and all the ancient and new gods help me with this one! -.-

 

let see that about Persians:

 

(6000 BC) - The modern brick. Some of the oldest bricks found to date are Persian, from ca. 6000 BC.

(~5000 BC) - Invention of Wine. Discovery made by University of Pennsylvania excavations at Hajji Firuz Tepe in northwestern Iran.

 

(5000 BC) - Invention of Tar (lute), that led to the development of the guitar.

 

(3000 BC) - The ziggurat. The Sialk ziggurat, according to the Cultural Heritage Organization of Iran, predates that of Ur or any other of Mesopotamia's 34 ziggurats.

 

(2000 BC) - Peaches are a fruit of Iranian origin, as indicated by their Latin scientific name, Prunus persica, from which (by way of the French) we have the English word "peach." Tulips were first cultivated in ancient Persia.

 

(1700 BC) - The windmill.

 

(1400 BC) - The game of Backgammon appears in the east of Iran.

 

(1400 BC to 600 BC) - Zoroastrianism: where the first prophet of a monotheistic faith arose according to some scholars, claiming Zoroastrianism as being "the oldest of the revealed credal religions, which has probably had more influence on mankind directly or indirectly, more than any other faith".

 

(576 BC to 529 BC) - Under the rule of Cyrus II the Great, the Cyrus Cylinder was issued. This is considered to be the first universal declaration of human rights, predating the Magna Carta by one millennium It was discovered in 1879 in Babylon and today is kept in the British Museum.

 

(576 BC to 529 BC) - Under the rule of Cyrus II the Great, Cyrus frees the Jews from Babylonian captivity. See Cyrus in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

 

(521 BC) - The game Polo.

 

(500 BC) World's oldest Staple (fastener).

 

(500 BC) The first Taxation system (under the Achaemenid Empire).

 

(500 BC) The first courier post. Also called the "Royal Road".

 

(500 BC) - Source for introduction of the domesticated chicken into Europe.

 

(500 BC) - First cultivation of spinach An ancient ice house, called a yakhchal, built in ancient times for storing ice during summers.

 

Spoon crafted in 550BC.

 

(400 BC) - Yakhchals , ancient refrigerators.

 

(400 BC) - Ice Cream.

 

(250 BC) - According to archaeological digs, the Parthians created the world's first batteries. Their original use is still uncertain, though it is suspected that they were used for electroplating.

 

(250 BC) Original excavation of a Suez Canal.

 

(271 AD) - The teaching hospital

 

(700 AD) - The Cookie.

 

Algebra andTrigonometry: Numerous Iranians were directly responsible for the establishment of Algebra, the advancement of Medicine and Chemistry, and the discovery of Trigonometry.

 

Qanat , subterranean aqueducts. Wind Catchers , ancient air residential conditioning.

 

Virtually all European scholars claim Arabic music has Persian origins

 

so hows that "all knowing plant"? get some ancient history books! these Achaemendis that u call "filthy" were officially an empire when rome was just a little stinking village! hopfully i put u down for good... or ended this!

 

bye bye then!

 

P.S. btw architecture and language of a nation is unique and cant be seen as invention otherwise any nation has them (including persia, egypt, greece, even a tiny island like hawai! duh!)

 @silver_viper219 

Jesus...you REALLY want to continue this ridiculously stupid and unwinable argument huh? Well let me ask you this professor: What's the difference between Professional and Amateur? DING DING DING DING!!! Professionals get PAID!!!! That's right folks....the ROMANS had the first PROFESSIONAL ARMY!!!

 

Let's just RAM this point home and shut your argument down ONCE AND FOR ALL, shall we?

 

Ok Johnny....tell everyone what else the ancient Romans invented:

 

Technology: Concrete, Roman Arches, Aqueducts

 

Medicine: Medical and Surgical tools, Huge public health programs including welfare programs for the poor  

 

Cesareans - sounds like Caesar doesn't it? Cesareans were often used to save the baby if the mother died during childbirth.

 

Roman architecture: A unique synthesis of architecture, engineering, mosaics, paintings and symbolism to convey a powerful, almost mystical, personal experience of inside-out, mundane-divine which was put to use in political-propagandistic buildings at first and then Christian religious needs later. This was employed to great effect in buildings such as the Pantheon, Nero's domus aurea and the Christian basilicas (triumphal arch brought inside).

 

Fast curing cement - hugely important discovery which allowed cement to cure and harden in short times and even under water.

 

Reinforced concrete - they introduced metal bars into the concrete in order to gain greater strength.

Innovations in metal smelting such as the crucibles employed, particularly for the process of cementation where a low melting point metal is vapourised and alloyed with annother such as in the production of Brass.

 

The Romans invented hydraulic mining, or at least it's earliest form known as ground sluicing. They diverted rivers in order to erode and dig the ground in surface mines to quarry materials like gold at sites in Wales (Britain) and Spain.

 

Military engineering and war machines of all sorts and shapes. For example military camps, not unlike small villages, were essentially pre-fabricated and built or taken down in amazingly short times. Caesar's bridge over the Rhine was built from scratch in a matter of days.

 

The grid structure of many cities, such as Barcelona or Paris is an echo of their past as Roman military settlements.

 

Law and government: clearly not invented by the Romans, but certainly perfected to such a degree that Roman law is still at the base of many modern legal systems. You'd be amazed at how advanced their marital and divorce legislation, "ius connubii" was!

 

Holidays and leisure travel - again, don't know that you can actually say that they were Roman inventions, but certainly the relative safety and wellbeing generated during the heyday of Roman civilisation meant that holidays and foreign travel became extremely popular.

 

Wild cuisine: their taste was pretty exotic. The wealth and luxury couldn't go without weird and wonderful dishes, many of which live on thanks to books such as Apicius' "De Re Coquinaria".

 

 "Satire". Still popular today. In fact, the name Satire is derived from a Roman dish called "Satura" which was a sort of minestrone soup full of just about anything.

 

Shorthand and symbols such as "&" or abreviations such as "etc.", "NB", "PS" and many others.

A huge number of words. Eg Curriculum Vitae, Senator (from Senex - old wise guy), Republic, Plebeian, Prefect, President, Legal, Penal, Judge, Judicial and so on and so on.

 

Our calendar, thanks to Julius Caesar (who used "foreign" astronomers from Roman dominions to get it right).

 

Days of the week: Monday is the day of the Moon, Sunday they Sun, Saturday is for the god Saturn. For the other days of the week we have to look to Latin languages eg in Italian: Tuesday is Martedi' (Mars day), Wednesdays is Mercoledi' (Mercury day), Thursday Giovedi' is Jove or Jupiter and Friday (Venerdi') is Venus day.

 

Roman numerals - essentially constructed around fingers on the hand: I, II, III, IV, V and X are 1,2,3,4,5 and 10.

 

Lock and keys for doors - many found in the remains of ancient Roman cities are pretty similar to modern day ones. Not necessarily invented by a Roman of course but in widespread use thanks to them nonetheless.

 

Roman cities had pavements and pedestrianised areas.

 

The first census of population and belongings (so they could tax them). This was in the hands of a public magistrate called the Censor.

 

Ambient heating (hot air was circulated underneath floors of houses).

 

Apartment blocks - called "insula". These are really only found in cities where both land costs and population concentration were high as in Rome and Ostia.

 

The first public newspaper was the "Acta Diurna" published every day in the Roman forum and stuck on walls so that Roman citizens could know what was going on in the Senate. 

 

Public toilets. Emperor Vespasian placed a tax on using the toilets and on the urine (used for cleaning thanks to the amonia in it).

 

Distillation process: first century AD, actually developed by Greeks living in Romanised Alexandria.

 

A huge variety of commercialised creams, lipsticks and cosmetics

 

Candles - sticks of animal fat which the legionaries could even eat in times of starvation.

 

Hand mangle for ironing - a flat metal paddle or mallet to hit the roman clothes, removing creases by beating.

 

Scissors

 

Magnifying glass

 

shoe soles made of cork

 

Bikinis (see a famous mosaic from sicily showing young ladies in bikini)

 

Showers (not to mentions their development of great public buildings such as spas and heated pools, gymnasiums, public libraries etc)

 

Postal system

 

Street lighting (only towards the end of the empire) - the reference to check out is Ammianus Marcellinus, book 14.

 

Brides dressed in white being carried over the threshold of their new home. Ancient Roman Weddings.

 

How's all THAT for a start, sport? Tell us all....what the hell is your filthy Achaemenids' claim to fame??!!!

@AloeVera4  whats the first professional army to u my friend? training? having ranks? being armed and in standby all the time? then i guess the first would go to "Immortal Guards" of Achaemenids (for an example of many, see "Persia, the immortal kingdom." by "Roman Ghirshman", 1971, (Coauthors: Minorsky, V.F., and Sanghvi, R., Greenwich, Conn., New York Graphic Society.) ) and if not, again it goes to Spartan army not romans (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army#Sparta ).

btw for more info on Achaemenid army see this: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~ancientpersia/army_frm.html , and have in mind Achaemenids were an empire befor Rome even completely take Italy, and fought greeks not romans and was destroyed by Alexander, all before Roman empire.

@silver_viper219 Yes...I read it....but my message still stands.  I'm not taking away from your precious empire. That's not my intention. I'm just saying that given ALL the variables that go with officially being referred to as a "Super Power"....the Roman Empire....since its founding by Romulus and his brother...to the 400s to the present.....the reporter is not off the mark calling it the "First Super Power".....regardless of where they picked up all their different systems...the point is they consolidated them all into their empire and made it all work! It's just that simple! Everything from the first professional army, the earliest condoms, plumbing, weaponry, the Senate, etc etc etc etc etc.....the list goes on and on.

 @silver_viper219 Your last message doesn't show up anywhere other than my email inbox, but I'll address it here. I'm not taking away from your precious empire. That's not my intention. I'm just saying that given ALL the variables that go with officially being referred to as a "Super Power"....the Roman Empire....since its founding by Romulus and his brother...to the 400s to the present.....the reporter is not off the mark calling it the "First Super Power".....regardless of where they picked up all their different systems...the point is they consolidated them all into their empire and made it all work! It's just that simple! Everything from the first professional army, the earliest condoms, plumbing, weaponry, the Senate, etc etc etc etc etc.....the list goes on and on.

 @ubercado BINGO!!!! That's a SLAM DUNK!!! Thanks Uber! Everyone else can continue living under your collective rocks! You're all entitled to your own opinions but not your own FACTS!!!

@AloeVera4

omg i cant believe u r ignoring lots of history writings even by many great greek and roman historians man! as i see u trust wikipedia so here is something for u to read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire

 

i want to highlight for u a sentence from wiki (info: Cyrus II or Cyrus the Great was the founder of Achamened empire): "Cyrus the Great is also well recognized for his achievements in human rights, politics, and military strategy, as well as his influence on both Eastern and Western civilizations. Cyrus and, indeed, the Achaemenid influence in the ancient world also extended as far as Athens, where many Athenians adopted aspects of the Achaemenid Persian culture as their own."

 

if u aacept the fact that Europian culture mostly came from rome and roman culture came from greek cities, then u see all have gained from Achamened empire through the history, western and eastern! if u study the first books of "The Story of Civilization" by "Will and Ariel Durant" u'll find out more :)

 

btw its not a war mate! we r just trying to debate about history and learn from eachother :) at least im trying to do so. cheers!

 @AloeVera4 Actually, if you look at the historical records, the Eastern Roman Empire (centered in Constantinople) lasted long after the Western Roman Empire (centered in Rome) fell. The Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantines as they became to be known) lasted until the 15th century and their heirs (conquered by the ottomans in the 15th century) lasted until the end of WWI so, the phrase "first super power" may not be that far off...

 @ymegzari 

I'll wait until you learn to construct a properly formatted sentence before dignifying your pathetic attempt at a comeback with an answer.....son. But in the interim...History's view still stands....no matter what you claim! Sorry sport!

 

Now....go crawl back into whatever hole of a 3rd-world and/or socialist country you belong to, m'kay? ;-)

 @silver_viper219 thank God someone here  has actually studied a bit of ancient history!

 @AloeVera4 ahahaha look at this guy, he thinks the Roman Empire created everything!

-implying the Romans didn't steal a lot of shit from the Greeks and other conquered peoples.

-implying the Greeks and others didn't steal lots of their shit from India and Persia.

-implying civilization in the West didn't start with the Babylonians in Mesopotamia.

you need to lrn2history son, but judging from your post you're a high school student in the US (or wherever else public education is shit tier).

@silver_viper219 

How about you do A LOT of research, slick:

Wikipedia:

"A superpower is a state with a dominant position in the international system which has the ability to influence events and its own interests and project power on a worldwide scale to protect those interests. A superpower is traditionally considered to be a step higher than a great power........The basic components of superpower stature may be measured along four axes of power: military, economic, political, and cultural.

 

So now tell me...what the hell have we gained from these "Achaemenids" throughout history? I'm sure you know we get our current system of governance and SO much more, from the Romans...and to a lesser extent, the Greeks? What state is Italy in as opposed to the state of "modern" Egypt? Does this "Achaemenid Empire" still exist? Does it have any surviving structure or language or ANYTHING they've contributed to history? No? Fail to you then!

 

Yeah....nice try.....but the original statement is accurate AND still stands "Rome was the first super power"!!!

 @AloeVera4 research a little, dont be a plant!! ;) RZweers told all i could, just google about lasting of Achaemenids, or even Egyptians! they have more than 23 dynasties of pharaohs!!! gosh!... -.-

 @RZweers I would actually buy that! ancient chinese were so powerful with all their archers

 @kyphe Would also be very interesting to create a classical Asian Total War game that would include China and India. They both have played important roles in creating the human civilization we have today. 

 @RZweers  Exactly! u just told what was on my mind! cheers :)

 

 @Arrwmkr  she gets a fail for sure! "F-" if u ask me! :D

 @RZweers  and ofc lets not forget the han empire in china which held an area of over 6 million square kilometers and ruled over about 60 million people lasting for 426 years, founded back when rome was still a minor republic.