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g0tbeef89 posted...
Yea, Oh hai, Terran iz not bad because look how bad protoss is ^.^.

Seriously what?

All-ins makes the race easy.

o.o Is that so?

PvZ => Protoss nub with dem 2base all-ins all the time.

PvT => Lots of Tosses won with 2base all-ins in PvT

PvP => Protoss so nub-y, all-ins lots of games, into 2base all-in with double robo Colossus.

My brain hurts from your logic, because you're legitimately fine with Protoss all-ins on any base, yet you're not fine with Terran all-ins, or Zerg all-ins (that Zerg nub, 6pooling me)

It really doesn't make any sense no matter HOW you say.
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g0tbeef89 posted...
I have problems with cheese all ins.

I seeeeeeeee. So if you think it's not "cheese" it's "fine" for you, and it's so "EZ MODE RACE TIME?"

Then you're being selective. Cheese neither makes it easier nor harder. It's a legit strat, no matter what happens.

Protoss on 2 base is not an all in, it's a timing attack. They can transition out of it.

6gate +1
7gate +1/+2
Blink
8gate +2 Blink

Those aren't things you can transition out of. They're ALL-IN for a reason. Only dummy Tosses think you can transition out of that, and it really REALLY annoys me to know end, to see 2base all-ins fail, yet they stay in their base for an extra ten minutes because they think they can win at a -80 supply deficit.

g0tbeef89 posted...
And once again, you're strawmanning. Just give it up if it's making your head hurt too much. Obviously, logic is not something you have.

Uh, not really. You're fine with Toss all-ins, but you're not fine with Z/T all-ins, because any all-ins they do (the effective ones at least, no matter how stupid they are in general) is "bad" and "nooby"

I'm exploring that line of thought. Because it honestly makes no sense for me, that you could be fine with one, and mad at the other, since they're almost ESSENTIALLY the same, the only real difference is the race they're using.

But if there's one thing that you're good at, it's bias. It's why Toss QQ is so stupid. You can QQ about the stupidest of things, but you're not QQ-ing about the stupidest of things you in turn can do.

You turn to balance when you lose at the essential "timings" (i.e. Periods when you're strong or weak" but you're also pissed when people QQ at YOUR timings.

It makes LITTLE TO NO SENSE AT ALL. It makes my brain hurt at how stupid that logic is, that I can do X, but if you do Y, you're stupid, and cheesy, and so all-in.
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anime_kamisama posted...

Does this really annoy you? You really think every Protoss should just leave after an all-in failed? Some of them actually have won and can play on any advantage they can get, no matter how small. People actually want to try and win, ya know? Not just quit right away.

Now if what you're saying isn't "If a player all-ins and fails, they should quit the game" then disregard this. Otherwise, that is a horrible mindset for a player to have.

There's a correct time to GG and a not correct time to GG.

If you did a 7gate Blink, and I killed your army, you lost. Leave. You sniped 0 hatch, you lost your army, you're at a really bad tech, and you can't expand. What possible reason is there for you to stay?

Keep in mind, I use the word FAIL. That means you did absolutely nothing. FAIL is FAIL. If you did a 7gate Blink and sniped the 3rd, while losing your entire army, you MIGHT have a chance, but if you did 0 damage, your all-in fails, and you're at a negative 100 supply disadvantage, WHY WOULD YOU STAY IN GAME?

It makes no sense to me at all.

anime_kamisama posted...

btw, if MVP quit after the all-in failed (even though he isn't Protoss), well you know. He wouldn't be champion XD

MVP did a 2nd wave to an all-in that already failed. Squirtle derped HARD on that last one (lose free Stalker plox) and the rally on the 4th Stalker cost him. What should have been 4-5 Stalkers vs 20 marines and 3-4 SCVs left (EASILY microable, and even noobs can focus fire with Stalkers) turned into 1-2 Stalkers vs 20 Marines.

tote_all posted...

Enrico, you better stop it or you'll end up in his sig too!

That about sums it up.

I was trying to find out the logic on why he loves Protoss all-ins, supported the Vortex of doom vs BC's, and is fine with Mothership Vortex, all the while abhoring Bane Busts, 6pools, and 2raxes, but it's really really just stupid to find out any longer.

He IS plat, after all, bro

ikilledkenny2 posted...

mvp won because squirtle messed up, if he didn't being down that many workers would just have won squirtle the game. He didn't win because "omg mules op"

No dog. MVP won because "MULES SO GOOD, TERRAN EZ MODE RACE." Just look at the posts. It's got nothing about how good MVP is. It's all about how good the race is.

g0tbeef89 posted...

Hey look Terran all-INS is down to 4 scvs and still manages to outmine the Protoss and keep up with the production compared to over 24 probes.

Squirtle did not have 24 probes, obviously had them split over 2 gas, and had one bloody gateway with no Warpgate.

1 Gateway with no chrono obviously cannot keep up with 2raxes of production. 10 workers on minerals, even if he has an additional 6 on the gas, do not mine as much as 4-5 scvs with a Mule on minerals, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE GAME WORKS.

If you're really REALLY so dull as to think one-sided and see things from in plain black-or-white, you can stay gold-or-plat, because you DO NOT understand enough about the game.
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