Are people still saying "dont use the crafting if u think its broken, then"
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Apr 24, 2012 8:30 pm GMT
Its so ridiculous when people this. No, I'm not going to gimp my character because Bethesda did a horrible job balancing their crafting systems and ultimately their broken loot system.
If the crafting is so ridiculously overpowered, smithing and enchanting that is, then NO, I'm not going to just ignore how powerful the crafting is so I can preserve the loot system and keep it entertaining.
It is 100% objective to say that smithing and enchanting ruin all incentive to improve your loot because you can get the absolute best gear in the game via smithing and enchanting at a low level, which makes it pointless to loot chests or enemies for the rest of your multi-hundred hour playthrough since you can't get better gear and you already have the means to infinite gold via enchanted Iron daggers.
This loot system is broken and crafting is the problem. It ruins all incentive to get better gear and I'll never ignore it or gimp myself just because Bethesda did a poor job with their system designs.
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You aren't gimping your character by not using it. You can still use it wisely and evenly without exploiting it.
This is nothing new, your argument is nothing revolutionary, and you should really learn to not whine so much.
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Apr 24, 2012 8:34 pm GMT
you absolutely are gimping yourself by not using the crafting system. The gear you can craft makes ALL other gear obsolete and you can make it obsolete at level 5. If you don't use the crafting systems, then regardless of whatever items you find, it'll still be extremely less powerful than what you could create via crafting. This is called gimping yourself.
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RebelElite791 posted...
You aren't gimping your character by not using it. You can still use it wisely and evenly without exploiting it.
This is nothing new, your argument is nothing revolutionary, and you should really learn to not whine so much.
This is nothing new, your argument is nothing revolutionary, and you should really learn to not whine so much.
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Apr 24, 2012 8:35 pm GMT
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Apr 24, 2012 8:35 pm GMT
...Except that you have to go out of your way to make such broken gear. Sure, the iron daggers are worth more when they're enchanted, but... that's kind of the point of having a trade skill. The only way you can "abuse" that system is if you do the merchant killing trick.
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Apr 24, 2012 8:36 pm GMT
Oh wait, you're the flamechamp who used to always troll the wow board? Can't believe I even responded.
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Apr 24, 2012 8:36 pm GMT
I find all your arguments to be shallow and pedantic
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Apr 24, 2012 8:37 pm GMT
howdyneighbor24 posted...
I find all your arguments to be shallow and pedantic
I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions
Apr 24, 2012 8:38 pm GMT
If you think it is broken, then you are mistaken. That's why people advise you not to use it. I think Skyrim's smithing is a good step forward. I created some good role-play around my shield+sword character who used a skyforge steel sword for the whole game, enchanting it toward the end.
I've never wanted to do that until now. Most games are, 1. find sword. 2. find better sword. 3. ditch old sword.
Apr 24, 2012 8:38 pm GMT
ITT: Guy cries about the game being too easy after he's grinded all his gear on Novice.
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Apr 24, 2012 8:40 pm GMT
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Apr 24, 2012 8:41 pm GMT
WorstLoginEver posted...
howdyneighbor24 posted...
I find all your arguments to be shallow and pedantic
I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions
Well I've had enough of your snide insinuations.
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Apr 24, 2012 8:41 pm GMT
you don't "go out of your way" to break or exploit or take advantage of the overpowered crafting systems. It is ridiculously easy and takes little effort to level smithing and enchanting to 100. Leveling smithing to 100 off iron daggers is so ridiculously lazy on Bethesda's part. You should never be able to level a crafting skill to maximum level off of a beginning recipe.
Its called poor balance, which ruins ALL incentive to get better loot since you can have the best loot in the game at level 5-10. Bethesda needs better system designers. They need to go the diablo route with their loot, or at least have a lot more flasher stats on them.
Its such a joke that the only stats mage gear can have is "regenerate mana" or "cost less mana."
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You sir, are a blight.
And you, you are a blight.
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Apr 24, 2012 8:43 pm GMT
WOMP WOMP! Check the latest patch flamechamp. Moving on...
Apr 24, 2012 8:44 pm GMT
I agree, TC. The game shouldn't rely on the player to make it balanced. That's bad game design and assumes that the player knows of the issue before hand.
Fortunately the "leveling off of an iron dagger" issue was fixed, but prices weren't. Bethesda could fix this by making items unable to be exploited for money, by for example, reducing everything to a maximum value of fifty drakes.
I also disagree with making craftable equipment the best in the game. The best should need to be found, or gotten from a special quest. Daedric artifacts should be the absolute best, but obviously not full sets.
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Apr 24, 2012 8:46 pm GMT
*runs up to punch RebelElite for no reason but swings hard, misses and falls on his knee*
Ow! My Knee! My Knee! That was my knee!
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Apr 24, 2012 8:47 pm GMT
Flamechamp2333 posted...
you don't "go out of your way" to break or exploit or take advantage of the overpowered crafting systems. It is ridiculously easy and takes little effort to level smithing and enchanting to 100. Leveling smithing to 100 off iron daggers is so ridiculously lazy on Bethesda's part. You should never be able to level a crafting skill to maximum level off of a beginning recipe.
Its called poor balance, which ruins ALL incentive to get better loot since you can have the best loot in the game at level 5-10. Bethesda needs better system designers. They need to go the diablo route with their loot, or at least have a lot more flasher stats on them.
Its such a joke that the only stats mage gear can have is "regenerate mana" or "cost less mana."
Riiiight. By level 5. Doing nothing but making iron daggers and enchanting them isn't going out of your way to exploit the skills, just like standing around getting hit by a small army of skeevers on novice to max out your block and armor skills isn't an exploit. Just like sneaking near an enemy behind a door isn't an exploit.
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I find it amusing that something a drunk person babbled at me is considered "common sense" by Dismind! - Brain Hammer
Apr 24, 2012 8:50 pm GMT
Guys TC used to troll the WoW board repeatedly. I have never seen him make a remotely serious post. Don't even feed him.
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