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20Dec 09
Homophobic. Now I'm not one to make apparently outlandish claims without evidence (just ask MetalGear_Ninty). No, I've got evidence coming out the orifices like a gay man has p---wait, oh right, homophobia---better not.
The first happening that happened was the 300 blog modding. Now that one was quite understandable. I mean it was very moddable. I understand that. Nevertheless it is the only blog I have ever posted that has been modded. Was it much more offensive than other ones? Not by a whole lot. It did however contain 90% more men engaging in sexual activities. That is the only difference. Sure, this is just a correlation, but let me continue (and bear in mind that I've had verbal hentai (involving machines and big-breasted women and alpha males), and Snake having glorious battle sex with a cybernetic ninja---I'm getting hot just thinking of it!):
Rap music is meant to be very homophobic, misogynist (which is a form of homophobia many would tell you, of course they'd be right they were talking about homogenization) and just plain bad music. Well taking all of this into account you'd be surprised to find the well respected musical artist D'Angelo being discussed on a rap union. Not only was his critically acclaimed music being discussed, but so was his body. Oh yeah, it was accepted that it was pretty hot.
But apparently this level of attraction backfired on him like a homose---err, like a car. Yes, D'Angelo (the only ever good urban artist) ended up being loved by women. And we all know what women's taste in music is like. They say you don't outgrow the music you like as a tween and teenager, and who has the worst taste ever? Young girls. Well, they liked him, so maybe they had good taste. No, they liked him for his body. So I suppose they did have good taste, but apparently the groupies weren't enough for him. No, he wanted to be liked for his music.
In fact it turns out he thought that RnB was devoid of content and soul (yet didn't say this about rap, what an idiot amirite? Dude's a black man, though, so I suppose he can't help himself. IT's that gutter music that keeps them out of school and in the ghetto too. Shooting up schools and thinking they can only be something through becoming a gangster, rapper, gangster rapper, sportsman or gangster sportsman. Man if it wasn't for rap black people would be so better off. (And Obama likes that crap? Damn, I wish I hadn't voted for him.) So he was pretty pissed off that he wasn't liked for his music which was full of content and soul, and nude music videos.
So ever since then he's disappeared and not made any music. Nor any soft-core pornography music videos, so both his female fans and his male fans are pretty pissed off about his absence. So on this obviously homophobia ridden forum after a group of (presumably) heterosexual males discussed his level of sexual attractiveness one pointed out that he should've thought of the consequences of doing the music video in question, and should've kept his top on.
To this I said: "but his face is hot too, no homo somehow." Now, no homo is a humorous tongue in cheek (yes, tongue you pervert, and not another man's pe---) term used in the rap community to signify one's heterosexuality when saying things that could be interpreted as being homosexual. However it is not used when referring to another man kissing another man, for example:
"And now I understand the meaning of love, when I kissed the"
Raekwon – Ason Jones
The word after 'the' is not no homo It is a common synonym for black man. I'm sure most of the white mods at GS and snitches will not only be full aware of word, but also what context to use it in, being so good at exhibiting such behaviour that white people who non-jokingly use the term do. Oh yeah, I did just make the comparison. Let's see if I get modded for it. At least I didn't compare them to Nazis, right?
But speaking of Nazi-ism, they were homophobes too. It wasn't just the Jews that they liked to go around killing en masse, no they went for gypsies, homosexuals, the disabled, the mentally ill, the political, well pretty much everyone who took their fancy. Even the odd Aryan! And you know what? I fit into several of those categories (you can guess which). Now I don't want to make false implications about this, but let's be honest, it's got to be more than coincidence.
So back to the body discussion. Not only was I modded and suspended for a day the whole discussion was deleted. For offensive content. Now I don't know about you, but I've seen threads on OT discussing women in far more sexual ways, in far more detail, and yet the only way they'll ever get deleted is if they fill up with spam. Yep, not offensive content, not even disruptive posting, but spam. Spam. And yet the funniest thing about this? You can't even say the c word. It's not a swear word, it's a God damn genuine anatomical word which is the female equivalent to the penis (Yes they actually have one). And that's not vagina You can say that.
This place is like Grey's Anatomy. Not the show, the book. There's lots of mention of the c word on the show. Not that I've ever seen it. I'd comment on how dreamy McDreamy* is, but then I'd just get modded again. Err, the word in question has on and off been out of a medical journal. A genuine God damn medical journal! (An important one at that) How the hell can they justify that? Are they going to leave out the little finger at some point? Why the hell don't feminists complain about this? Huh? Well? Tell me, feminists, why the hell wouldn't you? I'm pissed off about and I hate feminists! That's right, I hate feminists. But listen, I don't hate them because of their women's rights, okay? It's kinda like why I hate mods: they're all homophobes. Fact: feminists are homophobes. They don't like lesbians, even if they would like to be one. No way are they willing to go any where near the c word. It's too much like a penis Eww!
This might be one of my best blogs so catch it while you can! Now that people like to report my blogs. I've decided that I'll do something absolutely epic for the 2009 blog. Expect it on New Year's Eve. Which is the day before that for most of you. It'll be all the amazing events of the entire decade, and probably be a long series of blogs. Bear in mind one of my yearly blogs yearly blogs had five parts. So this'll be as epic as possible. Up the haters I say---I mean up yours the haters. Actually I can't say that, can I? No, up the haters it is!
Long live Nazism and homophobia!
*Microsoft Office 2007 suggested calling him McCreamy. God, that would be sexy. It's good to know that Bill Gates isn't a homophobe.
42 comments
Yes, the report system is flawed. Me and someone I know did an experiment once. I send him a PM that says Magnus er kul (meaning Magnus is cool). He reports the message for having sexual content, and I get a message from gameSpot saying I get a reduction in points.
My, this satirical blog turned out to be quite the topic starter! "(And Obama likes that crap? Damn, I wish I hadn't voted for him.)" Laughed hard given that I know you are an aussie :)
@Frame_Dragger Which is exactly what the soup was symbolising---well, if we accept juju as a euphamism for something other than juju! ;)
@Frame_Dragger Soup? I am immediately reminded of the infamous soup spillage in Billy Budd.. Soup can turn a story from being about execution to being about homosexual sadomasochism! (Before you mod me wikipedia it and you'll find it's true!) Is there anything it can't do? *blows away*
@Kevin-V: I don't think you're naive either. I think you're trying to sell a party line as any one of us would in your position. I don't blame you; hell maybe you even believe some of what you're saying. That said, I'm not inclined to take your word over the vast evidence to the contrary. As for specific events, here's what I propose: you're the ones running the site and keeping track of users... right? Well... the ones without the ability to bypass that. Anyway, here's a thought: YOU have the hard data not us. We'll never have anything more than episodic or anecdotal evidence, because we don't have (legal) ACCESS to anything more. That said, having been here longer than you've worked for CNET, and being privy to some of the mockery you're subject to behind your back (especially as a result of your Gay Gamers Union, which I support wholeheartedly I might add) I simply don't agree. Remember, we're not supposed to discuss why we report, and mods are not exactly the most communicative group, and Admins are few and far between. Lets be frank, CNET has a shotgun approach to websites, the staff here is minimal so it's perceived that limiting customer iteration with staff is imperative. If you care so deeply, the way in which customer complaints are filed and processed is laughable... maybe you could work on improving that? Assuming of course, that is within your purview, which it isn't. Ah well. Maybe it's best to focus on the reality that overworked "micro-staffs" can't control large online communities without resorting to draconian and arbitrary measures, obvious hypocrisy, and laughable accountability. It's no one person's fault, it's just the general pattern of behaviour on all sides, and the lack of commitment or resources to change that. Such is life, but lets not play, "polish the GS t**d". :lol: @Foolz3h: Classic fable so few know! [link] http://www.soupsong.com/saesop2.html [/link] . It's funny on so many levels, and educational on all of those levels as well.
@Frame_Dragger -- I don't think I am being naive, just taking things as I perceive them in this one particular instance. I wasn't speaking to this "broken" system you allude to--I am only responding to the instances mentioned in this blog. Nobody marched me out to this blog; I saw it and responded, though I admit I took it at face value, rather than as the satire is was meant to be. I can't speak for reporting users. They're people, and like many people, some of the folks in our forums will be rude. They will be homophobic, racist, and unconscionably hateful. I know; I deal with it on a frequent basis. Those people aren't the result of a system, at least, not one that exists on GameSpot. They're people, and like people, they might say or do awful things. But again, all I can do is respond to specific events. You are only giving me vague notions of a perceived breakdown. They're eloquent and esoteric notions (glib, if you will permit me), but I can't help solve intangibles. If you offer specifics, I can investigate and assist with solutions, even widespread ones if they are needed; After all, I want our users to be comfortable. But you give me only broad conclusions based on broad generalities, and I simply need more to go on--actual evidence, as opposed to assumptions--if I am to be of help. Send me a PM if you see such inappropriate behavior.
@paul939 I knew you've always had it in for me! :P @just_nonplussed You're not far wrong! I run forwards while looking backwards, and always twirling, twirling towards freedom! @Frame_Dragger "Your politically minded rhetoric is right on target, but you're still blowing cold and hot from the same mouth. (lest I be banned, that is an Aesop's fable, not a veiled insult)" :lol: Seriously, though, reported. :| @ ct1257860 Ouch, that sucks!
@foolz3h - I didn't moderate my own material i got moderated for complaining in the mod forums about what happened then was purposely moderated by the same moderator again --too bad i cant remember what his user name was :/. @Kevin - Thanks i will do next time, but i see you really like this site and all but its not need to hide from the facts of all its flaws. I agree with foolz that derogatory comments are made to gays frequently.
@Kevin-V: Let me be really blunt so that others don't have to be. You know how pissed off we all get when a group of cops beats the snarking carp out of some Black, Hispanic, Arab, Indian-mistaken-for-Arab, etc... individual... and then they march a person of that ethnicity in front of the mic to assure us all that this was a simple misunderstanding? You're that guy right now. As Foolz3h clearly said, he's not really alleging a particular homophobic bias on the part of the staff. Rather, he's pointing out the general homophobia of the reporting users and the staff (unpaid mod, vs your paid and accountable admins such as you) is so blindly reactionary that it supports what prejudice is in vogue. To attempt to paper over that with glib notions that this was somehow a terrible miscommunication is laughable, if heartwarmingly naive. The reality is that when you have a broken system, or one filled with bureaupathologies, this lower overall quality of enforcement and thought is one consequence. As a result you lose respect, trust, and of course paying customers. Your politically minded rhetoric is right on target, but you're still blowing cold and hot from the same mouth. (lest I be banned, that is an Aesop's fable, not a veiled insult)
@KingOfOldSkool -- I just meant that I don't perceive a wrongdoing here, that's all. If I saw any sign here that the moderation team was in the wrong, I wouldn't hesitate to say so; I have more than once followed up on issues in which I felt a moderator was off base. My point is simply that in most cases, the rules are being applied to the best of the moderator's abilities and don't stem from any underlying anti-anything. As it is, had I seen @Foolz3h's homo comment, I would have assumed that the comment was homophobic. It's the irony here: A moderator deleted a comment they likely saw as homophobic (I would probably have assumed the same thing), and in the process, has become accused of homophobia. I apologize if I minimized a valid point of view; it wasn't my intent. I just wanted to be clear that I don't perceive any homophobia in this particular incident or any of the specific instances mentioned in this blog. That said, I am always available to anyone that feels that they perceive any such homophobia, or any similar issue. This strikes me as a situation created by the wonders of the Internet: Well-intentioned individuals have done what they felt was the right thing based on the information in front of them. But without direct communication, conclusions are made that might not be drawn from the intention--and it happened on both sides of the fence. I don't think there's anything deeper than that, that's all.
i like how you almost work behind or underneath the advertised topic. i can sense your energy almost working in a semi-detached way, as if you were running forward while looking behind you. ;-) hmm, or maybe you really do run both ways. *wink, nudge*
"Long live Nazism and homophobia!" I expect you to get banned for this. Since I'm evil, I call upon all the Lords from hell and all moderators (If they are both the same, disregard the first part) to collectively ban foolz3h for his insolence. Dissent will not be tolerated.
@BlinDShoT95 I think the man knows a thing or two about gluttony himself. :P @illmatic87 Good stuff! I was wondering when I first saw the avatar; it can be kinda hard to tell with such small pics sometimes!
Someone is a glutton for punishment. I hope Santa realizes how greedy you've been as of late :P
@Zeromus1337 I wonder what would happen if I ever wrote a serious blog that was offensive! I imagine the internet would asplode. @kellymae That's what I want to know! I beat McDreamy knows where it is, though. ;) @Frame_Dragger Well, exactly, actually. I'm not saying that they're more homophobic than other areas---hell, they're less so than somewhere like XBL, but there are obvious and valid (IMO) instances where perhaps a little homophobia does creep in. (And absolutely sexism.)That really is the only difference between the blogs and comments I've posted that have been modded, and those that haven't. I wouldn't say that's a coincidence. But, I'm not saying that the staff have anything to do with it (even if the blog's beginning can obviously be inteprited that way) as it's the mod that regulate such things, and most importantly, it's the community that reports things. More than likely people are more likely to be offended by something with a bit of a gay tinge, and thus more likely to report---and you know, in the case of the 300 blog it was moddable. But so are is other similar content, but it's less likely to be reported because here it is more acceptable. That's really what I'm saying. And yeah, that's mostly heresay, but it's not really worth the time of doing some sociological experiment on beyond this blog, as it wouldn't be as funny or entertaining to me. :P
@fooz3h & @Kevin-V: I have to agree with Kevin-V... the gamespot staff doesn't strike me as prejudiced... just incredibly tight-***ed and some of the mods (not admin) are abusive or incompetent. Fortunately there are proxies. I mean that as no offense Kevin-V, but hell, I have a blog that lists the ridiculous ads that run on this site which are waaaaaay outside of what would get any of us modded. Yeah, you guys can control all content on the site (insofar as that goes), but when you mod someone for vague references to sex (you demodded one for the famous "lubricant" blog), while your ticker talks about stripping, nude spas, and the latest drinking and hangover tips people are going to notice. Hello? Earth to Gamespot. When competent leadership (Kasavin, and Gerstmann) leave with a ton of the staff.. well... yeah this is what you get. A smaller staff that is increasingly reactionary and arbitrary. When there is no rhyme or reason to moderating activities (as is so often the case) is it any wonder that people look for a hidden thread to connect it? You really want to take the time to justify GS' moderation practices (which we all know admins would rather take a handful of pills than do) and do a full review... well... you don't have the time or budget. Good luck with CBS! Foolz3h, for the record I don't think GS is any more homophobic than most groups of people. That is to say, yeah there's homophobia, but it's not an obvious or oppressive strain in the site. Kev-V might not have presented a reasonable argument, but he's still right. Oh, and as KingOfOldSkool said... HA. Wow, a gay editor. Tell me, how much of the content of this site is created or dictated by you? It's a big site, and you're one of VERY few admins. I don't mean this to be insulting, but truly Kevin-V, that's dangerously close to "Hey, my best friend is black!". Oh yeah, and... Kev.. you and I both know the worst homophobes are gay themselves. Maybe not so clearly and comfortably out as you (good for you btw), but still. Rational arguments only please! ;)
:lol: at most of this blog. Seriously though, the C word medical term is censored? Whatever for?
Ah, satirical intent. I dunno, I've never been modded here. Well, not moderated as in point loss with Zeromus1337, (Had an older account, AsakuraHao2004, still active), but just 3 warnings, 1 of which is a bit questionable (to me) since I didn't see that I was unable to do so, or I guess I just wanted to help or something, but it's understandable.
@Kevin-V - Are you insinuating that just because GS get's one gay editor stamp of approval that anything Foolz3h talked about is null and void(or in your words off base and melodramatic)? I'm sorry.. I just dont buy it. The fact of the matter is that the truth hurts.. if one's writing has a more homosexual theme than the usual juvenile hyper-hetero babble it's chances of being modded are exponentially higher regardless of wether or not is actually deserves it. Also, I obviously never expect a staffer to not back up one of the site's moderators.. but in this case your giving a mod a free pass by throwing out the whole "not reading the intent but whats typed" attitude is wrong. Just because there are mods on this site that are obviously not worldy enough to properly moderate forums with inhabitants that are from countries spanning the globe does not excuse the fact that a non-offensive entry was deleted.. understanding "intent" is a job of both sides.
@nicksho @Kevin-V But I'm rambling so thanks for the good comments to both of you! :) In short: most of it is satire, and while there is obviously homophobia at GS, most of it would be perpertrated by members rather than anybody working there. P.S. Thanks for clearing up why I never get onto the soapbox! I'm misunderstood. :( :P
@nicksho @Kevin-V First off (and don't worry, this happens to a lot of people reading my blog) I've got to point out that most of this blog post is satire. Most of it is not serious, ala the comments about feminists etc. I'm aware I'm implying that the whole of GS is homophobic but it's a bit of hyperbole for comic effect. That said I have seen a hell of a lot of genuinly homophobic comments by members on this site, and elsewhere in gaming communities. Reporting it is an option of course, but for me personally I try not to report things because it's generally counter productive. Homophobia in gaming is a cultural problem and deleting a few offensive posts isn't going to solve it. Of course, I am complaining about inconsistencies undertaken by GS (well CNET probably has large input on the ToS) which are a symptom of the culture it is a part of, so I suppose it's a bit hypocritical. Then again, I didn't say the problem was relevant only to GS: the part about the c word missing in Grey's Anatomy for a number of years for example, yes penis obviously being present. That is sexism, socially acceptable or not. For the record the description of the "no homo incident was pretty much accurate. It's also a term I've never seen moderated on that union before either.
@Aberinkulas It's serious business! @illmatic87 Seal of aprovall? I feel like a Nintendo game! :D Is that Nick Cave in your avatar? @ct1257860 The whole report system is inherently flawed and is easily open to abuse, but that said, if you are going to try and moderate your content, there's not really a very good way to go about it.
Your conclusions don't follow from your premise. As a gay editor on this very site, I can say that you are very off base here, and drawing a conclusion that doesn't follow from actual events. Furthermore, many of your own comments in this very blog are relatively offensive. ("Fact: feminists are homophobes" is not just untrue but patently offensive.) Whether or not you have seen an offensive post elsewhere on the site is not unwritten consent for you to do the same. I can understand why the "no homo comment was moderated--it uses a term often used in a derogatory way, but the comment is nonsensical enough that it seems offensive. The moderation team cannot necessarily read your intent; they have to read what was posted. And if what was posted seems offensive, they will delete it. If you see offensive content elsewhere in the forums, you must report it. If you see something egregious, feel free to send me a private message. But there's no reason to make melodramatic statements that simply aren't true. As for @ct1257860, well, just because someone posts it doesn't make it true, and that description of events doesn't relate to reality. I encourage you to message me if you see something improper, but just as you would not want individuals making blanket statements about gay men based on some wrongdoing they perceived, I can't support these blanket statements about GameSpot--a site that I love dearly and am proud to be a part of. As a gamer, as an employee, and as a gay man.
Very interesting blog post. I'm gay myself, and I have a very good friend, Kevin, who is also gay who happens to be one of the editors of this site. I have experienced however, what I believe to be homophobia, from some of the Mods. Just know that a lot of the mods are volunteers who don't work in the offices. And we all know the sad fact that many users on this site are younger men who happen to be homophobic. It's too bad... sometimes it gets so bad sometimes that I don't have the motivation to even visit the site anymore. I used to be very active on here, but after seeing the constant stream of homophobia from users, and mods not doing anything about it, I prefer to not visit it as much. Having said that, there are a lot of GOOD people who work for Gamespot. Please don't generalize and condemn an entire site because of the many bad users and smaller amount of mods that stand out. When you do that, you label everyone who works there as homophobic. I know for a fact that Gamespot has some good people employed there, that are anything but homophobic.
Good Rant foolz alot of details in it..i do agree that most people on GS are homophobics and aethiest and when mods have the power to determine what "THEY" feel is wrong is determined by their bias unequal mind. Which is the stupid part of it. I actually was modded for a disagreement with a mod so i complained i didnt nothing wrong and he purposly deleted my post and suspended me so he wouldnt get in trouble. So i guess GameSpot compares alot to the system its broken.
epic rant, +1 for quoting the chef. Dangelo has let himself go apparently but yeah that Untitled video = want (the body that is, perfectly cut up and not overdone) D'angelos Brown Sugar tickles my fancy more though (nh), okay, now I am too used to saying nh in full over at the Okayplayer boards without worry of getting moderated. I never go in OT so I dont know of the double standards many people seem to complain about. This blog has my seal of approval though. Edit: I think a good deal of gamers are homophobic, ever checked out the Dragon Age board here on gamespot? (fyi: 2 characters one being a male swings both ways)... things usually get out of hand real quick once the topic comes up.
I don't want to say too much in case the fuzz shows up! My laughter may distract from your arrest - besides, this is no trivial matter!
@Aberinkulas I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing! @KingOfOldSkool It's definitely not something new, but dramatic ranting against mods is always good subject matter! :D @Travo_basic You just wait until New Year's Eve! Your mind will be blown. @BessenStock It's kinda expected that you're going to be getting more possibly offensive views on a blog or even a union, so that should really be taken into account before reaching for the ban hammer.
I wish GameSpot would let you be whatever you want. Wanna be homophobic? Fine. Just have it where you need to agree to terms to view jerk's profile. As long as you're not saying "Kill 'em all!" I don't care what or who you insult.
Wow.. I see you have made it a point to bring the holiday spirit in full force to GS! lol, seriously though.. I do see what your saying and agree. I have always held the belief that balance is important, you cant let one thing go and discount the option to discuss the flip side of it just because it's too "uncomfortable" or controversial to deal with. But hey.. this wouldn't be the first time GS let it's hypocrisy show, would it?
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