Yea I hope Nintendo has something new lined up. Retro hasn't shown a game off for the Wii U yet so maybe they are working on something new? Obviously not Nintendo EAD but still sort of Nintendo.
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24Jan 13
For those who haven't seen it yet.
http://www.gamespot.com/features/wii-u-news-roundup-6402802/?tag=Topslot;WiiUNewsRoundup;WiiUNewsRoundup
A lot of information was shared to us courtesy of Iwata, but not much of it was a surprise. There's a new Mario game, which of course we knew there would. There's a new Zelda game, obviously, and there was talk about altering some of the conventions we've known Zelda to have, i.e. linear structure, solitary experience. It would be practically impossible not to guess a new Mario Kart was coming, considering every Nintendo machine since the SNES had one. (oddly enough, no, the Virtual Boy didn't get one... ) There were a couple of surprises, though, being what looks to be a Xenosaga sequel and a crossover of Shin Megami Tensei and Fire Emblem. I'm so far behind on all of those franchies that I can't really comment how I feel on those. Great for the fans, though.
What I really liked was this:
Rest assured, this game is going to be remarkably beautiful. Using the same fantastic art style of Kirby's Epic Yarn and combined with the Wii U's ability to display in HD, this game should be able to charm the pants off a bronze statue. Yet, it's at the same time that I'm disappointed it's using the same art style. We haven't really seen Yoshi in his own platformer (if you want to discount the Yoshi's Island titles because they're technically Mario games, weird as that is) since Yoshi's Island for the N64, yet they chose to use an art style that's already been done? Whenever Mario changed his look, it was still Mario. Same with Zelda. When Link went cel-shaded (I know that's not the technical term for it), we could still see Zelda. But with Yoshi's Epic Yarn, I see Kirby first, then Yoshi. It seems ... just lazy to me. And speaking of Zelda....
There's this:
I've always viewed Wind Waker as the black sheep of the console Zeldas, and the cause of the DS Zeldas being so poor. Of course, the Wind Waker was a good game in its own right, but it was far too easy for a Zelda game. Then I learned that Miyamoto removed a couple of dungeons because he felt they were too hard... So honestly, I have little interest in playing this game again, since there was a lot of tedium in the game (although beautiful, the sailing was just dull). I don't care how beautiful the reworked graphics are. And I only bought the Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D because of the limited time offer to get the soundtrack from Club Nintendo. The only way I'll end up picking up the Wind Waker HD is if Miyamoto puts back in the dungeons he shouldn't have taken out in the first place. So, here's hoping.
In other news, I find it odd that it's going to take two seperate updates, a season apart, to fix the Wii U's clunky OS problems. As for the Virtual Console, Nintendo has never really given it the attention it deserved. I just browsed through it the other day and was appauled by how small the library is having just over six years to build it up, not to mention how many of those games are utter stinkers. To think that this service, which Iwata said wouldn't even have all the same games available, is something to get excited about baffles me. What really gets me is that they're charging you (at a reduced price) again to download games you already own, even if you transfered them from your Wii to the Wii U! And the trial where there are a select few really old titles to download for 30 cents each? How many more flipping times does one person need to play Balloon Fight? It just reaffirms my belief that everything Nintendo tries to do, they do it half-assed.
As for other games, they showed some new Wonderful 101 footage, but it didn't really reveal anything "new", and a Bayonetta 2 video, which didn't really show anything at all except a behind the scenes of the developers designing the game. I have to say, Nintendo is developing a close relationship with Platinum Games, and if I had a crystal ball, I'd use it to see if a purchase would be in the cards.
What I'm most disappointed in with the Direct is a lack of any new IP. I know the Wii U is still really new, but that shouldn't be an excuse. Nintendo should have remained on top of things and again, I revert back to Iwata's apology. It really is disconcerting when you host an event that's supposed to be for showcasing games to apologize for not having any games. I mean, they gave us Pikmin with the GC. Why can't we have a Pikmin for the Wii U, well, that isn't Pikmin? You know what I mean. I just think the overall reception of this Nintendo Direct has been a bit too positive. This really is a bone being thrown to Nintendo fans and they're gobbling it up. Hey, I love Nintendo, but I'm not easily impressed by them anymore.
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I can't help but think that Nintendo had 6 years to fine tune the Wii U and it feels rushed/not a finished product. Nintendo does need a new IP. People keep comparing Mario to say Drake's Uncharted or Halo. Saying Sony and Microsoft are doing the same thing, but the difference is Nintendo has been using Mario, Zelda, etc. for over 20 years on Every single console; multiple times a console, so it's not the same. On the other hand, since the Wii U's release I've been paying more attention to the gaming world than I have in months. I do want the Wii U to succeed. I am tempted to buy one, but if history indicates anything I would be disappointed as I was with the original wii and gamecube. I'm willing to look past the hardware track record, but I need to see more to sell me.
Let's just hope Bayonetta 2 either fails big or succeed big. Whichever one is need for the game to be ported to a PS system...
@Dark_Zeno @DiamondDM13 We'll see... I sure as hell wont buy the Wii U just for one game... It's ultimately their loss, Platinum Games I mean. They could have just gone with KickStarter. Instead, this is what we get...Way to thank your fans for their support...
1 Like I'm not saying that they are or aren't , but if Nintendo's going to introduce a new IP this year it probably won't be during a Nintendo direct. The audience is big for an online broadcast but not nearly as big as E3 or other big game expo's. As almost anyone will agree , if Nintendo announces a new IP it's going to be a BIG thing because it's been so long since its happened. Nintendo won't waste valuable hype material on an online broadcast, they'll make a big deal of it at e3 with tons of hype , big cinematic reveals , to get as many people interested as possible.
1 Like @moviequest14 You know, you are the very first person that I've seen present that point. Good job.
@JustPlainLucas Why thank you! I believe that's the reason so many people are over-reacting to this news , because they've come to never expect anything REALLY interesting from a Nintendo Direct. I know personally I had nearly forgotten one was scheduled and even when I remembered I just waited for the major news (if there even was any) to come the next day. And I think Nintendo knows that and that's why they would want such a big reveal to be when everyone's looking and hyped up already.
@moviequest14 @JustPlainLucas You know, they technically introduced the Wonderful 101 last year. It's a new IP after all.
1 Like I feel it's only a matter of time before we see a new IP from Nintendo. You never know, they may even be working on one now but wanted to save it for a reveal at E3. They really do need a new, big IP. The last was Pikmin, or maybe Nintendogs (which was awesome, I don't care what anyone else thinks).
After the Direct what I'm most excited for has to be Monolith Soft's new RPG. Xenoblade was awesome, and from the trailer the new game looks like a HD sequel to the Wii title, except it has giant combat robots just like Xenogears. The more I see of The Wonderful 101 the more I want to play it, and I;m intrigued to see how Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem will turn out.
I liked Wind Waker but I don't think it warrants this. Why not rather make a new Zelda game?
4 Like @modernsocks To be fair, they are making a new Zelda. This WW HD is supposedly just to hold us over.
@JustPlainLucas @modernsocks Oh, good that they're still making a new one, but, if I had my way I think instead of giving Wind Waker the HD treatment I'd have them either do it for Twilight Princess or Ocarina of Time or better yet maybe a remake of A Link to the Past.
1 Like @JustPlainLucas @modernsocks Thank you both! Yeah , that's the problem I had , even though I do own a gamecube and have since it was in production I haven't found a single copy of Wind-Waker in stores since I started looking for it and its amazon price is around $30-$40 used an a whopping $115 (minimum) new. And with the exception of the portables and TP (available in stores) Wind Waker is the only zelda title not available on Virtual Console. While I'd love for all of those titles to have remakes I think it most crucial for Wind Waker to do so so both older and newer generations can play it. Though you're probably right , I can't speak of the quality of it since , because of said issue , I haven't played it yet.
2 Like @modernsocks @JustPlainLucas I'm kinda done with Ocarina of Time. I mean, there's the 3DS remake and that's a great way to play it, but @moviequest14 makes a great point. It is hard to find WW, and by rereleasing it, not only do they get to please those who want to play it again, but allow a whole new generation of gamers to try it out for the first time.
1 Like @moviequest14 @modernsocks Ah, well of course you're right, I wouldn't disagree with you there. I have that opinion do to favoring those games over Wind Waker and so wouldn't mind seeing them recreated with greater detail and new gameplay. Don't get me wrong, I liked Wind Waker a great deal, just not so much as those three particular. I will confess, though, I had no idea it has become difficult to find Wind Waker, had I known this I would have held on to it.
2 Like @modernsocks I actually respectfully disagree. The thing is , Ocarina is one of the most easily accessible past Zelda games out there. They have it for gamecube , remaster for 3ds (not even a year old) , virtual console and Twilight Princess is still in stores. But Wind Waker is extremely hard to find. You can almost only find it online and if you want it new you're looking at a pretty big price tag. It should be re-released even if just for more accessibility.
if they have a big new IP to announce it will be at E3, I can't see how you're complaining about things not being announced since it was only a Nintendo Direct, not an E3 press conference
1 Like Yea Yoshi's Epic Yarn is lazy, c'mon Yoshi is popular enough to have its own visual style. The only excitement I got out of this WiiU Direct was Monolith Soft "X" & Bayonetta 2 - not much is shown tho, the other stuff that was shown was like same old - party games was a joke, Zelda: WW HD rehash was meh. (didn't like WW).
1 Like In my opinion, the Nintendo Direct Broadcast was kind of a fail. They didn't really announce anything that we didn't already know was coming. If their goal was to get more people to buy a Wii U, it didn't really work.
3 Like Nintendo still has that magic. You remember playing the original Zelda or Mario?
I'm betting eggs to nuts that you are going to buy Wind Waker HD when it comes out, and whatever else they are cooking up. Until people like you stop buying their games, they'll keep doing what their doing.
I don't really mind it, though, I'd kill to have Wind Waker remade in HD.. which it is.
1 Like @ShadowofSonic Like I said, only if Miyamoto puts those dungeons back in. If not, then you my friend have lost a bet.
Did he remove dungeons from the original or the HD Remake? I'd pick up a Wii-U for Zelda but not if he has taken away content.
1 Like @JustPlainLucas @GunnyHath Ah, well then I'm fine with the remake. Restoring the original content would be a bonus, though.
3 Like I highly disagree on a lot of the points, but seeing as they are opinion based, i guess that's kind of the way it is.
I bought a Wii U a week after the release, knowing that it wouldn't have a very huge library of games, not untill spring 2013. I was gonna wait, but i thought that i would rather sell my Xbox 360 now to get as much value as i could, before it dropped in price (a week later it was actually sold for less money in several stores, than what GameStop gave me <--- read that again! Amazing! :P)
Anyways. Yeah we all knew that these games were coming, even the Monolith Soft game i knew was in development, that wasn't really news, but it was nice to see the gameplay! It looks like a fantastic game, and if it has the same combat system as Xenoblade had, it's gonna definitely be one of the greatest JRPG's in many years! Xenoblade itself is by far the best JRPG i've played for a while, and while so many people are angry about Square Enix's treatment of the Final Fantasy universe, they don't even bother looking at the Wii which has recently released two of the greatest JRPG's within the past couple of years, if not this entire gen!
But to know something was in development, doesn't really make it any less valuable to have it confirmed by Nintendo themselves. It nice to know that there's progress, and that something is in development, especially when it's by Nintendo, since they are in my eyes, still the champions out there! Every game they make seem to be near flawless and they can conquer almost every genre they delve into.
Yes Nintendo makes use of old franchises, and it can be quite annoying when 'New Super Mario Bro.' has been 'New' 4 times already, with nothing new actually - even though every game is solid fun! (New Super Mario Bro. Wii U is ridiculously good!)
Some people find it tedious when all they see is Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Wario, Metroid and Fire Emblem games hit the shelves. While most of the franchises stick to their original formular in one way or another, there's always, or at least most of the time, new and exciting features added. This is something Nintendo does better than anyone else, and with some franchises have over 20 years on the back (Mario and Zelda has 25+) it's pretty much needed! Yet this IS a fact. This can't be said for many other games.
Take a look at the Halo games or Gears of War. Granted Halo has gotten better graphics with the years, but it's pretty much stayed the same otherwise. Gears of War 1 doesn't look much different from Gears of War 3, and the gameplay hasn't changed at all. What about the Playstation then? Well, one of my favourite series of games is the Uncharted games, but there's 4 of those out now, and only one of them actually gives us new features, and that's the Vita version! I can't say much about it, since i don't own it, but seeing as it's deemed the weakest game in the franchise, that's kind of funny to me!
Two franchises that never hit the Wii, but has been milked to the bone, and almost never offering new features or ways of playing is Call of Duty and Assassins Creed. I own Black Ops 2 on the Wii U and i love it, but it feels exactly like Call of Duty 2, which i bought on the release of the 360 back in the days. Assassins Creed did evolve abit, but with things like the grappling hook, or tower defense features, the potential was definitely there, but poorly executed (heck i cleared all of AC3 with the hidden blade only)
Now remember, Call of Duty has 9 installments on the home consoles, and that's not adding the handheld entries or games like Big Red One or Finest Hour. With them, there's been plenty more! The CoD franchises started in 2003 mind :)
Now the Zelda franchise has roughly 16 games on it's back, and that's a lot i know! But that's over 25 years! All with either improved graphics, new features and a different playstyle, but yes always keeping to the old theme of dungeon crawling and temples - and of course saving Hyrule.
Assassins Creed released in 2007, that's 6 years ago, it already has 13 installements in the series (including handheld games, which for the most part are poor, but does that still not count? It's a game with the brand name).
In all fairness to these franchises above, they do tell better stories (or at least try, i think AC is ruined for good), and CoD delievers a more solid multiplayer experience than most Wii U shooters.
For some odd reason, Nintendos franchises are getting an undeserved treatment, as if the games released on familiar brand names are bad, when they aren't AT ALL. It just seems that people are overall fed up with seeing the same stuff over and over, and while i can agree that we need new installments, i think we should be rational. See if Nintendo were to release a new dungeon crawler or platformer, wouldn't we just be asking ourself "Hey where did Link go? Why not use Mario?"
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Your statement about Iwatas apology has me personally concerned. I think it's aweful when people today see humility and kindness as some sort of weakness. Should we be alerted? Maybe, should we be afraid of Nintendo's downfall? No because there's no such thing in the works. What Iwata did was a sign of respect towards the customers. We don't owe Nintendo anything, or any other brand, anything! We buy what we are offered knowing that a price drop will eventually happen, that the library of games will it expand but it might take time, and if anything we know that we're being delievered the same franchises especially from Nintendo. So to be upset about that is just plain weird to some extend, i mean did you honostly think that it would release with tons of new ip's?
I'm sorry i'm sorry, but i get frustrated when people search for the negative in everything, instead of staying optimistic about what could potentially be Nintendos best console ever.
I agree on your Virtual Console part though, totally ignored and it did have potential for so much more! For now i'm happy that Windwaker is coming in HD, since i knew i would pick it up whenever it was released on the Virtual Console (that is if they actually bring out GameCube games on the virtual console).
7 Like @DaneGamer Some people say I search for the negative, but rather, the negative is just apparent to me. My personal belief is that Nintendo has remained complacent. I actually demand more from them, because I want to see them back on top like they used to be before consoles became overly complex (expensive, moving parts). I know I'll love their first party titles, but I also know Nintendo could have done more. Don't take this as me condemning them, because I'm not. I want the Wii U to succeed, and without a doubt it will, but in my mind, just succeeding isn't enough if you can't overtake your competition. Sony and MS will simply have more powerful systems and far greater appeal for third parties, and I don't see Nintendo doing enough to combat that.
1 Like @JustPlainLucas @DaneGamer In a way i've got to agree with both of you. As an old fart gamer i've had every nintendo machine to date bar the Wii u. After the debacle of the 'cube ( which was a bloody good underated bit of kit) I decided to jump ship with xbox and the 360. I still bought the wii though. What I'am trying to say is that I would love nintendo to succeed massively with the Wii u but I think JustPlainLucas is right microsoft et all have smashed the market. Todays gamers just don't get nintendo. I love mario Zelda (liked the wind waker But only got 80%%%% of the way through), also need to get the Skyward sword!. But I'am at the stage in life kids blah blah, that I can't afford the Wii u and nextbox, I just don't know if I can gamble and dip my toe in and get the Wii U just to get bitten.
3 Like @JustPlainLucas This is exactly the kind of attitude fans need to have. And not just for Nintendo, but anyone. Apologists often don't understand that the biggest critics can be fans and that's a good thing.
@Derpalon @JustPlainLucas Apologists are the worst kind of people, they keep a dying series like COD going for another 10 titles before it finally dies and lets something else through.
@JustPlainLucas Exacly what I fought. Since the SNES it is the first time a Nintendo consol actually interest me and I see that it could be really awesome if they could get 3rd party games on it.
4 Like I thought the art style for the new Yoshi game was lazy, too. It is even being made by the same developers as Kirby's Epic Yarn.
2 Like @GamerofMario1 I agree, and I love the art style of kirbys epic yarn, and also think that the Yoshi game looks beautiful with that art style, but personally I was hoping for a 3d adventure featuring Yoshi something along the lines of mario 64, or heck even if they wanted to stick with sidescroller they could of used the art style from 64 Yoshi's Story.
@Undietaker Funny, becuase they only showed a WW HD remake and mario was barely even mentioned. Also way to ignore SMT X FE and X. Oh, but you didn't even watch the direct. Talk about brainwashed fanboy, lol.
I think the best thing to come out of the Nintendo Direct announcements was simply reassurance, we all know that Nintendo has the great IP's upon which to build but until now nothing had been concrete for the WiiU, if anything teh future had been looking rather bleak, now however those people either sat on the fence or didn't see themselves ever getting a WiiU will be looking at the console in a new light knowing that a stream of great games are i the pipe line and if this offers Nintendo the stability they need to move on create something original knowing they can take the risk then i'm more than happy to pay good money for quality such as Zelda and Mario. It may have been a little uninspired but it was reassuring :)
@xxBenblasterxx It seemed kinda weird to me that people waited for confirmation of games they already knew were coming before they got on board with the WiiU..
@JustPlainLucas @xxBenblasterxx I think it was just reassurance because of the "not so positive press" that the wii u is getting. Reassurance to the early adopters that Nintendo is supporting the wii u.
I actually agree with your thought of WW being the black sheep of the console Zelda games, but mostly because I've always hated the overworld and dungeon design. A shame really, because I think it has the most satistfactory combat of the series
I've felt like Nintendo has half-assed it since 3 years ago. I get their "if it ain't broke" approach to their handheld devices and whatnot. I just feel like it's all about the gimmick now and that they're trying little that's actually new. I'm sure there are other examples with Microsoft and Sony, but in my opinion Nintendo feels the sloppiest.
There was a new IP. Monolith Soft owned by Nintendo is making a new Xenoblade Style RPG that supposedly will support online and since Monolith Soft is owned by Nintendo, it's technically a new Nintendo IP. Link http://www.gamespot.com/monolith-soft-wii-u-game/
@kbaily I'm betting dollars to donuts it will have the Xeno prefix, thus not really being a new IP. We'll see, though.
@JustPlainLucas @kbaily In truth the 'Xeno' games aren't even a true series. The only reason Xenoblade was called Xenoblade was to honor Tetsuya Takahashi - it's original title was Monado: The Beginning of the World. And the Xenosaga games were vastly different from Xenogears. Hell there were games before Xenogears that had 'Xeno' in the title. I look at each Xeno game as their own new IP, except for the Xenosaga games which are all connected.
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