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When asked by my friends why I have a PS3, XBOX 360, 3DS and the like, I often look back at them with the same curious expression. Gaming could be likened to nurture versus nature, do you grow up gaming or is it in your blood? Can it be both?

The first time I picked a game up, it was one of those hand-held games that had the set background and the object of the game was repetitive, a la Donkey Kong. Though diverting, it didn't hold my interest for long, and the specialty batteries made it impossible to power after they had run out. This went on for a few years before the Nintendo became commonplace. I had to pay my parents back for it, but I got one, wasting countless hours away on Mario and Bowser until I could afford to buy another game. I had a total of four NES games as a kid, when I got my Sega, I had two.

As I grew up, I stopped playing games. Though my college dorm was rife full of gamers, they were mostly guys and didnt want to let a girl play. Once I graduated and starting making money, the idea popped in my head, how nice would it be to have a respectable game collection? The PS2 was a great entry back into gaming. I picked up Grand Theft Auto 3, a Batman Game and Metal Gear Solid 2. The first game I completed was a Spiderman game based off of the movie. Metal Gear took the longest to get through, but once completed, I was hooked. The challenge came not in the hours of cut scenes, but the elaborate story that was affected by the decisions I made, to some extent.

It was at this point that I realised gaming had evolved from the repetitive simplicity I had started on to something much more adult. Some might argue that the audience has aged with the systems, but that has always felt like a cop-out to me. There is still a lot of thought that goes into an idea, be it for kids or for adults. The audience matters, certainly, but that doesn't define whether an idea has merit.

Gaming was always a niche activity, something that had a narrow audience, mostly men. This never deterred me. The friends I discussed games with were all men I worked with, guys in their early- to mid-twenties. They didn't think much of it, I am a bit of a Tom-boy, enjoying sports and the like. It was this generous introduction that made me feel welcomed, the hobby inclusive, unlike so many other hobbies. Luckily I started gaming before online gaming really became popular, I would have realised that this was not what most gamers would like to see.

As a gamer, I want to enjoy my time in an evolved story where game play impacts the outcome of a game. There are few games that truly fit this bill. I think of games like inFamous that do this wonderfully, providing two very separate styles to play the game with, different endings based on your decisions. The same can be said about other games like Red Dead Redemption or Bioshock, though both only hold variant endings, perhaps. Games like these define me as a gamer, I think.

In games, whenever there is a choice, I always want to make the right choice, the one that benefits the person in need, the person who cant help themselves. I'm currently playing Assassins Creed 3, and in one side-mission, the option is to pay the red-coats or fight them or leave the man to his own devices. Being the gamer that I am, I've been doing dozens of side-activities, so the money is there, but more than anything, I wanted to avoid the open confrontation and have the issue be resolved to everyone's benefit. I know that makes me idealistic and naïve, so be it.

To play a game is to do something that, in real life, you would never be confronted with. It isn't just about blowing off steam or blowing your friends away in multiplayer. The games that stick with me are the ones that have a compelling story and game play that matters, that makes me want to decide whether someone lives or dies.

I feel, though, that I am in the minority. As a woman gamer, over the age of twenty-five, I don't carry the same sensibilities that, say, a twelve-year old boy would have. To me, there are really two types of gamers: the conscious and unconscious gamers. The conscious gamers are the group I would belong to, they are aware they are playing a game, aware that there is something more out there than the game, that games are an escape but a way to be creative and communicate. The unconscious gamer are kids, plain and simple. The unconscious gamer doesnt care about story, doesnt care about aesthetics, only shooting things, killing things and nothing more.

The two groups are easy to differentiate, one wanting to mow down everything in sight, others being thoughtful and introspective in the face of adversity. I'd like to believe the conscious/unconscious gamer can be seen in real life situations, but the contrast is too great to make a reasonable comparison. The gaming culture is made up of all different types of people with different backgrounds and different walks of life. Some use gaming as an escape, others a way to improve their lives, others still to take from those they play with. To quote the always appropriate 'V for Vendetta,' a gamer is 'was Edmond Dantés... and he was my father. And my mother... my brother... my friend. He was you... and me. He was all of us.'

97 comments
KaliDave23
KaliDave23 like.author.displayName 1 Like

Excellent blog, Poke...I typically don't post but after reading about your history with gaming, I was compelled to.  You see, I too, fell out of gaming shortly after the SNES console and remade my entry with the PS2.  The first game I played was GTA: Vice City, and I became so absolutely enthralled by it's open-world gameplay that I didn't sleep for what seemed like several months...totally immersed in the characters and side-quest missions that the game was filled with.  To me, this was revolutionary.  Gone were the days where repetitiveness was commonplace. 

 

I've been a gamer since, and while I disagree somewhat that games have aged with their audience, it's kind of hard not to notice whose primary target most games these days are being made for.  In fact, I remember reading an article that was posted in GS somewhere, that stated that the average age of today's gamer is 37--a lot older that what I assumed, but pretty close to my age.  Obviously opinon will always vary but experience has taught me to scrutinze certain games titles prior to letting my 12 year old son play them; for content that would be misleading to the average non-gamer parent.

pokecharm
pokecharm

 @KaliDave23 glad I could inspire!  I loved Vice City, to me, no GTA game will ever be better than that.  Granted, I have not played 4 and am on the fence about 5.

 

37?  wow, that's impressive, and makes me feel almost young ;)  

BravoOneActual
BravoOneActual

By the way, seeing as how you've referenced music in your titles before, this one isn't a Bob Seger thing is it?

pokecharm
pokecharm

 @BravoOneActual hmm, it is not :p  I can't recall what song I was listening to when I wrote this either...

Shmoe82
Shmoe82

In regards to just the end of the blog.  You're probably right that there is mostly 2 types of gamers (unconscious/conscious).  There is also times where a person will become one or the other gamer type.  If im play Assassins Creed 3, Ratchet and Clank, Civilization I am completely a conscious player taking in everything thats happening.  But, if a friend comes over and we're playing COD, we become unconscious player with a mission to just kill everything while not fully engaged in the game.  So there may be a positive feedback loop in this logic where if your a kill everyone type player and you find you like those game then you may just continue to buy those, furthering your lack of consciously engaging in games.  Also, people that like just super in depth games my never experience kill everything type gameplay.  Or, I may be wrong.  

hush404
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Awesome blog :) While I happen to be in the male category of gamers, I too am starting to feel a bit of a disapproving eye from some parts of society as I am, like you, over 25 and love gaming for it's experiences in the realms of story, characters development and the like. Often, people are shocked when I tell them I don't play Call of Duty and only own a few Halo titles because I wanted to go through the single player stories. I think the internet has helped all kinds of gamers come forward and share their love for the medium, regardless of gender, age or background. I think too that,  there are grey areas in which to classify people, if we must classify. I know of two gamers in their late 30's early 40's whom live for titles like Halo and Call of Duty and rack up hundreds if not thousands of hours in titles like that and absolutely revel in the idea of maxing out in those games' multiplayer modes. One of those gamers, even, expressed to me that while she sees the merit of being drawn to games for their stories and such, that it's not for her, that she much prefers the idea of the multiplayer combat arena as the draw for her. I'm glad you were able to get back into gaming and love the idea once again. A late co-worker of mine spent most of his life without knowing gaming and it wasn't until shortly after the 360 came out that he gave it a try and absolutely fell in love with it. He would talk excitedly to me about going through Fallout or Borderlands and how the whole idea of gaming just blew him away. Sadly, he passed away just a few short years of me knowing him, but I'll always remember how much games meant to him, even if he got into them later on in life. Also, Charmander in N7 armor is awesome :D

pokecharm
pokecharm like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @hush404 isn't that a wonderful idea though, someone discovering gaming at that time - that's a sweet story :)

granola_goodnes
granola_goodnes

I feel like the way you describe these two groups of gamers is a bit narrow.  As I understand you, a good way to describe the groups would be one group likes games to have consequences in play, morally and/or tangibly (so to speak). The other group  would be the people who simply want to play for the pure enjoyment of it.  

To expand on this, "conscious" gamers play games but see their actions in reference to real life.  Like in Bioshock.  Just what are you willing to do to be more powerful? Do the ends justify the means?  The "unconscious" gamers don't really need this to be part of the game.  They are content with simply accomplishing the objectives of the game and enjoying the ride.  Which I don't think there is anything wrong with.  I certainly don't play Super Meat Boy for the story.  I also don't think the groups would be mutually exclusive.  One of my friends loves CoD games and anything made by Bioware.

Movie goers could probably be separated in a similar manner as well.  Some people think Avengers is the best superhero movie, others would say the Watchmen. It is an interesting topic to try and discuss and rather hard to get a real handle on.  Great blog!

pokecharm
pokecharm

 @granola_goodnes it was an example, not meant to be a perfect phrasing, something to spark conversation ;)  I think I could expand on it more in another blog, but my mind races as it is ;)

granola_goodnes
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 @pokecharm I understand, it's not like my phrasing was anywhere near perfect..  It would be an interesting, if challenging, topic to discuss. 

Darnasian
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Poke , your blogs are awesome , keep up the good work. 

But don't forget to keep us updated on your gaming progress at least once a month.

pokecharm
pokecharm

 @Darnasian I'm still slogging through AC3 and Rocksmith - I have no progress to report!

yeah_28
yeah_28

I think everyone is perfectly conscious that there is more than the game, but some just dont care, because they dont want to.

 

The reality is that in life, every activity or even every thing has substance beyond what it was meant for, because usefulness and value are put by the gamers/clients/fans/users/etc, and not by the creator.

 

When i was in the school that comes before highschool (lol forgot the name), i looked at a pencil and figured out it could totally be used to stab someone or something besides being able to write with it,  even when i knew its meaning of existence was to write, because we have knives specifically to stab.

 

So i do agree with this separate groups idea, but i think there is far more to it than what it seems, i suspect people who use games just to trigger the gameplay mechanics, also in life never get to find whats beyond the intended use of something or someone.

 

Those are the ones that if you pick the movie with the best story ever, and tell them its an action film, they go see it and claim its the worst movie they ever saw, then rewind and tell those same people the movie is a drama (the truth), and they'll go see it and probably not like it but respect it, or admit they just dont like the genre, or in a lot of cases i think, they'll actually like it now.

 

My point is, it takes some kind of a special ability, closely related to creativeness, imagination and thus open-mindness, to actually get passed the "label" that our society puts to everything.

 

 

Coco_pierrot
Coco_pierrot

Very goob blog !!! I'm just a little older than you ( I'm 29 ) and I showed a taste for video games very early. I'm a shy person and when I was a kid, we cold say a nerd and if we go back in time ... video games where for outcast nerd kid ...

 

It was hard to be labelled like that but still I liked it so much ... I played countless hours of Mega Man 2/3, Super Mario, Duck Hunt or any other games without any story hahaha.

 

Then the SNES came out and I got one and I met some friends so we were playing together !!! I played a lot of Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat or any other mindless fighting game at that time.

 

I bought a Playstation first generation as a young teen but I sold it maybe 2 or 3 years after because I had other interest. So I quit playing video games. I came back at it few years after the PS2 came out

 

Nowaday I play a lot less game but I devours them ... Like FFXIII-2 I played it twice and unlocked 100% of the trophies ... I'm like that for all the games I have. I'm still playing alone, I don't like PSN or Xbox live at all.

 

And now that we have choice in videogames I always play the nice guy... I find it way easier ... like in fallout 3, people give you stuff because you are nice etc... I still played the bad guy in many game for the Trophies hahaha

pokecharm
pokecharm

 @Coco_pierrot ah, you might have misunderstood my vagueness.  I'm over the age of 25, quite a few years ;)  I never like to admit my age, or weight, if I can help it ;)

 

they say nice guys finish last, but I guess if we finish at all, that's something!

nate1222
nate1222

Damn good blog.

 

In Anthropology, we learn that "Nature vs Nurture" is a dead arguement. Nature sets up a range of 'potential' behaviors, then nurture steers the needle into a direction within that range. But that's a conversation for a different blog.

 

I'm with you on alotta this. Near the end of the 16bit era (4th gen; SNES and Sega Genesis), I'd felt that gaming had gone as far as possible in terms of gameplay and that I may very well outgrow it. I was enjoying gaming at 20 years old, but felt I'd be past by 25. Then, the 5th gen (PS1/Sega Saturn/N64) happened.

 

All of a sudden, we had very intelligent, story-driven games like the Legacy of Kain series and Final Fantasy VII. Gameplay became innovative, with the explorative aspects of games like Tomb Raider. Stealth and decision making became big draws, with MGS and Resident Evil. All of a sudden, I realized that gaming would surpass film and TV as my fav entertainment medium. Gaming is now my main form of entertainment well into my 30s*.

 

*I'll be 37 as of December 22nd, 2012.

pokecharm
pokecharm

 @nate1222 thank you!

 

I do love that gaming has turned so cerebral.  I won't say I don't like the less thoughtful games, I do, but the smart ones are the ones that really affect you.

 

you're only a few years older than me than ;)  a lady never betrays her age ;)

wavey_gravey
wavey_gravey

Great blog.  Do you think it is possible to be a conscious and unconscious gamer by your definitions?  I believe that I fall in to that category... I have a similar tale as you with regards to my gaming, taking an extended break from my childhood and then picking up again in my early 20s when PS1 came out.  

 

I will say that the games that stick with me are the ones that you would perhaps call your "conscious gamer" games, however I do enjoy a bit of mindless mowing down enemies as well :D

pokecharm
pokecharm

 @wavey_gravey I think you can move from one to the other, like Minecrafting and not Minecrafting ;)

 

that's where I was going - the Deus Ex' of the world stick with me long after I'm done, the RE6 types I've forgotten already.

wavey_gravey
wavey_gravey

 @pokecharm Haha, yes for me, there is either minecraft or games that are not minecraft.... I jest...sort of.

 

Ha, no in seriousness, I know what you are saying.  The games that are most beloved to me are the ones that I have become involved in the story of, they are sadly few and far between, however there are games that have been mindless, but I hold a love for them because of the fun I had with them with friends.

wavey_gravey
wavey_gravey

 @pokecharm Yes, because most of the time it is the big triple A games that get the plaudits.  I tend not to pay too much attention to the GOTY stuff if I am honest.

pokecharm
pokecharm

 @wavey_gravey doesn't it make you scratch your head when they talk about Game of the Year games and you hear the game and are like, 'meh' ?

-INKling-
-INKling- like.author.displayName 1 Like

Those hours with Mario and Bowser weren't wasted buddy!

 

I also tend to try and make a 'right choice' when faced with a decision in a game. Some of the moments in GTAIV had me agonising for ages and The Witcher 2 was a real thinker for me.

 

Having said that I do enjoy the simpler aspect of gaming. Sometimes running and gunning is all you need!

pokecharm
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 @-INKling- ha, I'm never sure...if I were honest, I'd admit I never 'beat' the original Mario game...

 

the GTA series rarely have 'good' choices...one is less bad than the other...maybe...probably a reason I haven't gone back since San Andreas.

 

some games are perfect for the run and gun, others are great with some solid thought ;)

Shmoe82
Shmoe82

 @pokecharm  @-INKling- I know I never beat Mario Brothers or Super Mario brothers.  I do agree with your point of games being repetitive back in the old NES, Sega days (even worse in the Atari days.  When you found epic games like Zelda, Castlevania or similar games it was a breath of fresh air because they reduced the repetitiveness of games. 

Speaking of repetitive, did you play Assassins Creed 1? Thank god AC3 isn't like that.

pokecharm
pokecharm

 @Shmoe82  @-INKling- I don't know...AC3 is pretty repetitive to me right now...I almost just want the game to be over...

BenFireFox
BenFireFox

thumbs up again for another great blog :) i always enjoy your thoughts and views cause they are very interesting 

 

I think for each person gameing has a unique place in your life when you call yourself a gamer. On maturing in life you also mature a bit in your gaming world since with age also interests and likes change. I would say im also a gamer which likes to be free have choices and i normally dont like the plan one road some games give you i can also enjoy those games from time to time but variety in options is a must nowadays (open world, sidemissions, etc. etc.). Its like with a good movie some watch it 5 times and find in each watch another thing they didnt realized on the previous views some are done after getting the "core" story by watching it one time. 

Mostly i enjoy complex games cause i played too many simple ones and need some deepness in a game to get it catch me but from time to time i can also enjoy the simply onedirection games too it depends on mood.

 

Since i personally knew several gamer girls i know since long that there is a different view on games then us male gamers but you can never say that generally :) some of them got my views some others but thats the same on male gamers. For me a gamer is kinda generally genderless it doesnt matter if he/she is a boy or girl aged or young. 

 

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<= test if i can put pictures here :o

 

i would say sure you change due matureing but i hhm keep it like a sentence i live most of my life after if possible "The moment when your inner child dies life looses its spice" :) that inner child is in each of us no matter how old what gender or culture your from its just the question how much you listen to your inner childs voice 

 

Thanks for your thoughts and blog on ^-^

pokecharm
pokecharm

 @BenFireFox thank you, my friend :)

 

I think that's true, you grow up in life, in all parts of your life, not just one area.  I know the games I liked as a kid I probably wouldn't like now as much. 

Oldgun
Oldgun

Wow Great Blog, couldn't agree more !! Gaming has always been an alternate reality for me. Especially games with stories that keep you going and stick to it till you find out how it ends. Games have stories that let players be the controller and be part of it, It's one of the reasons I still game even at my 30s and always prefer a game over a movie. Some games are far better than a novel or a movie, because I like to interact and be part of it. I liked your concept of conscious and unconscious gamer. Once again, great read !

pokecharm
pokecharm

 @Oldgun thank you!  that was one reason why I think RE6 did only 'okay' in most people's minds - I never felt 'involved' in the story, it was like it didn't want me there.  I have played some games, where at the end, I think, even a book or movie wouldn't make this better!

iowastate
iowastate ranger

I started out with the home Pong when I was in college The Secret of Evermore on the SNES got me interested in the RPG type of game but until Final Fantasy came along there really weren't any really great ones.  When they hit I played them all and became a fan.

 

  I've played adventure games, racers and sports games (Rugby 08 is the best I've ever seen as far as being accurate to the sport)

 

a few shooters but that really isn't my cup of tea.   I always enjoyed Muds/MMOs and the last few years I've played a lot of RPGs.

 

  I remember saying a few times on games that have the option: "good is nice but evil is fun" however when I have the opportunity I am always a nice guy and when I recently got suspended in an MMO everyone in the game who knew me was shocked.

 

 heck I've had a point loss  at GS  and heck  nobody is perfect and we all have a temper.o_O

 

  I don't post here as often as I once did - OT and SW don't see me hardly at all whereas I used to post there every day

squalls_revival
squalls_revival

I'm with you :) I am a conscious gamer and when I try to talk about the themes or story of a game for example final fantasy, I tend to get shut down. I see the majority of people want game play. Even when it comes to role playing games which I thought were all about the story. They enjoy tweaking things and doing speed runs, and like you said mowing down enemies.. It's like they see the game as code, or numbers or something.. I really can't understand it sometimes.. I like to play through a game once and maybe again a few years in the future to gain a new perspective on it. But even when I find that story that I lose myself in.. I'm always yearning for more. I want my life to be an adventure. I grew up playing these grand tales and looking up to the characters in them. They were my teachers and I want to be a hero just like them.. It's so inspiring to see someone face adversity and triumph over everything. I always look back at that and try to apply what I learn to my life. I see people trying to master their skills in call of duty or something like that and I respect it to a certain extent, and I see people who rush through and complete all the games that have been dubbed classics and I can respect that to a certain extent as well. But sometimes I wonder if they see what i see. And I guess that's why we have forums. I just always find myself a minority in most cases. I'm going to make this comment my blog :P

pokecharm
pokecharm

 @squalls_revival ah, the shut down or the blank look, right?  I know it well ;)

 

I think gaming is a way for us to live those adventures, to honestly be the person you can't be in real life.  It sounds silly, I know, but I think it's true.  Gaming is a healthy escape, not a deluded one!  I hope you do blog on this!

gba1989
gba1989

Sorry for going off-topic but your post strangely reminds me of the console wars. Maybe because of your opening sentence. I've only played on ps2 and haven't touch a xbox360, wii, or even ps3 but the way I see it, why not get the three of them, right?

In that way I could get the best of both worlds. Think about the exclusive games I could play. I'm sorry for being ignorant about consoles but I'm just saying.

 

As for being an unconscious or conscious gamer, hmm...don't know which one am I.

But then as a gamer we could muse on this things but then again we don't really need to be labeled...

pokecharm
pokecharm

 @gba1989 starting blogs is always a challenge, that first line can make or break it!  I do support buying as many systems as possible :)

 

I wanted to make generic terms that could fit for a variety of needs, I think I'm a concious gamer,  but at times I have unconscious moments.

Borrizee
Borrizee

So true,I like games that swep me away. Let me loose track of time,a good story about things we will never do,let us see things we will never see or could not think about in our wildest dreams. Nice blog

macca366
macca366

I like games that can immerse me into the story with a sense of involvement too. I like the idea of choice, BUT, choice is often ruined for me in the games you described. And here's why.

 

You say you want to be able to choose the right choice in a game. I'm the same way. Now in most modern games, there is a 'good/light' path and a 'bad/dark' path. Seeing as I know I want to be good, my 'choices' in games like Bioshock, and to a lesser extent Mass Effect, have already been made for me, hence the decision aspect of the game is lost on me. There's no impact, I never wonder how my choices resonate or what would have happened if I'd took a different route. I already know; I'm on the good path, the other way is the bad path.

 

The only recent game I can remember where my choices in the story were involving to me were Deus Ex: Human Revolution. This is because a lot of the choices were felt grey; not black and white. At the end of the game, where you get four choices, I found myself (as I'd been conditioned to do) trying to figure out what the 'good' choice was, and there wasn't one, it was subjective. I loved that.

Darnasian
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 @macca366 Actually , the first ME game had a rather intriguing plot , because there were some moments when being Paragon didn't feel like actually being Paragon and being Renegade was a more logical step. For example: In the first mission you meet a mad scientist that became even more weird after the geth attacked Eden Prime. You are told that if conscious , he could be a threat and do something stupid and harm others even if he didn't want to. The "Paragon" choice was to let him be , the Renegade one was to punch him and leave him unconscious , but preventing him from doing anything stupid out of his fear. In this case I believe that the Renegade choice was the right one and the Paragon one was wrong.

macca366
macca366

 @Darnasian Thats why I said 'to a lesser extent Mass Effect', however, by your own description there are only two choices, paragon and renegade, good and bad. And again, seeing as I want to be the good guy, I had no decision in the first place, knowing I wanted to be good. Knowing the paragon choice would be to let him be, there was no choice for me.

 

You might be able to argue subjectively, as you seemed to think, that knocking him out with a punch was actually the more benevolent action. Fine. But then the game itself, with the paragon/renegade system, has unfortunately already set its own rules on what is good or bad, so in any situation (rare) that may seem grey, your subjectivity does not matter in the game world, as the game itself has chosen itself which is good or bad.

 

If you can manage to completely ignore the fact that you just got renegade points for doing something you actually thought was good (which I cannot), there is also the fact that the paragon points you did not get for doing something you thought was good may hinder you from being able to choose those all important choices where you actually require enough paragon or renegade points to unlock them.

 

So no, throughout the mass effect series I had a strong sense of what was good or bad, and in desiring to follow the good path, as I'm naturally inclined to do, most elements of choice were not as involving as they could have been. Beyond good and evil, the incredible number of differential scenarios about whether someone lived or died or your romantic inclinations and so forth are marvellous. And I do love the ME series.

pokecharm
pokecharm

 @macca366 I loved Deus Ex...one of the only games I bought the DLC for!  I loved Bioshock for that too, I didn't kill one of those girls and I felt better about it afterward, even if it was just a game.

Darnasian
Darnasian

"There are only two types of gamers. A gamer and somebody who isn't a gamer."

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It's like saying " I feel women should be considered gamers if they want to , but not really"

To be more precise , there are 2 types of gamers : hardcore gamers  , and casual players , yeah you heard it , players , but still someone that get's to be called a gamer in the context of being casual at the same time.

pokecharm
pokecharm

 @Darnasian I thought about saying that, casual and hardcore, but some kids would fall in the hardcore category just by the sheer number of hours they've played, wouldn't you say?  I'm secretly trying to validate my theory :)

Darnasian
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 @pokecharm Nah , a hardcore gamer isn't just some gamer that spends hundreds of hours on a game , a hardcore gamer is that type of gamer that supports the industry by buying his games new (even if he waits for price drops or better editions than the standard one ) , being news conscious , putting story and than gameplay above graphics , invests his sheer interest in every game he buy's/plays , doesn't just trade his games for a quick cash to buy the latest instalment in the series , tries to search for something valuable and worth while in every game , no matter how bad it is , if he doesn't find it then bad luck.

Darnasian
Darnasian

 @Nophoria88 First of all , I never said REGULAR gamers do these kind of things , hence them being named HARDCORE. Check the damn meaning of the word because if they aren't doing that then they are not hardcore , duh!

Second: The car example is probably one of the worst ever. When buying a car , you take into consideration loads of taxes , the efficiency of the care , expenses that come later , it's age , the mass population of the world consisting of cars , the fact that you'll have to change it at some point due to growing too much in age and tons of other variables and parameters people like you can't understand or think of. Why? Because they want to justify buying used games and saving 5 to 10 bucks. Better wait for a price drop then act like a cheap ass! Games aren't cars , besides the electricity you're using to play them , you do not require them to live a normal life in the modern times , you do not need them to get in a place asap , you're just using them to enjoy your free time.

Third: How stupid does one has to be to not realise that a dev loses money on used sales? Here's the cycle. The stores get's new copies of the games on release day , then after people are done with the game ( this varying from a few days to a maximum of a few weeks) they trade it it for some change , ultimately the store will reach the point when it will have more used copies in stock then the number of new copies. This leads to the store's decision to cease the order of more copies. Ceasing the order of more copies , means the devs actually lose money on used sales , not to mention there are loads of devs that went out of business because the game barely covered the development and the profit was very low , while the games were at least worth checking.

Did you know that CD Projekt almost went out of business because the Witcher 2 was pirated 4 to 1 times and that the console version had poor sales due to the low numbers of orders the stores had?

And TW2 was by no means a bad game , one of the best RPGs this generation had actually!

Not to mention policies like GameStop's " If you buy an used game and complete it in under a week or get bored of it , you can return it for a full refund" don't help at all.

Nophoria88
Nophoria88

 @Darnasian Yes, most things are matter of opinion. Supporting a company has nothing to do with being casual or hardcore though. That's like buying a used car and someone telling me I'm a casual driver lol. The game has ALREADY been paid for, they got the money for that game, that's like saying it's bad to buy ANYTHING used, and you're supposed to keep EVERYTHING you buy. That's simply nonsense to me. It's a mindset people are funneled into believing so they will make more sales. You do know that developers sell their games to the stores right? They then give them a suggested retail price to resell it at for profit, you are supporting the store companies.

Darnasian
Darnasian

 @Nophoria88 Actually nope! Now when did I ever state in my comment that I do these kind of things? As much as I want to , I live in a country that has sh!t economical state , people barely have money to actually live , games and consoles are overpriced to 150% of how's in the states. I struggle to buy more than 8 games an year without waiting for Steam summer sales and I always wait for the Complete Edition of the game because if I were to buy the DLC and the game separately , then suddenly I would only buy 2 games and year. Now back to your statement. If you'd kindly check the meaning of hardcore , you would see that I'm right. Now tell me , what hardcore gamer would give 0 interest of his collection and don't care whether he owns the games or not? None. About the used sales: I do agree with buying games used only if they are 10 years old or more and it's impossible to find one new at a decent price , but then again there are other techniques like GOG , PSN , Steam etc. that could get you the games for a cheap price. If you'd go on youtube and check Pete's Gamer Room or AlphaOmegaSin , you'd see why they are hardcore. They play and keep in their collection even the shittiest of games. But then again : Gaming is a matter of opinion.

Nophoria88
Nophoria88

@Darnasian

You just listed things you personally go by. Casual and hardcore gaming is self explanatory, look the definition up of each word and there's the answer. Hardcore keeps games much more involved in their life; dedicated, committed.

 

Everyone has their casual and hardcore moments. By the very definition it depends on how much involvement you have with games in general. But how people use it is to separate themselves from people they don't consider "real" gamers.

 

skornedwarrior
skornedwarrior

 @Darnasian

 she didnt even say that in the article did you really read it?

 

Darnasian
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 @skornedwarrior Did you really read the comments? Maybe read the one bellow me and see for yourself what I want to say? And ofc I read the blog. I always read poke's blogs. They are fun and one of the reasons I check my profile daily.

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